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Improvements have to be added in the year they are made. You can't add a new for tax purposes in 2019 if the roof was put on in 2017. You could file amended returns for prior years to add the improvements for the last few years, but that's a lot of trouble. Another (better) option is to file a form 3115 - Application for change in Accounting Method. This would allow you to add each improvement and take all depreciation that should have been taken since they were made. You might want to consult with a local tax professional if you want to use Form 3115, as it is not supported by TurboTax.
Improvements have to be added in the year they are made. You can't add a new for tax purposes in 2019 if the roof was put on in 2017. You could file amended returns for prior years to add the improvements for the last few years, but that's a lot of trouble. Another (better) option is to file a form 3115 - Application for change in Accounting Method. This would allow you to add each improvement and take all depreciation that should have been taken since they were made. You might want to consult with a local tax professional if you want to use Form 3115, as it is not supported by TurboTax.
You can't add a new for tax purposes in 2019 if the roof was put on in 2017.
@DavidD66 I think you may be misunderstanding the context of the question. If the property was converted from personal use to rental property in 2019, then you most definitely without question can add the roof as an asset, and it flat out does not matter when the roof was put on and paid for. It only matters when the roof asset was "placed in service" as a rental asset.
@mostaccino you are required by federal law to include that asset and depreciate it, regardless of when you purchased it. You can either add it to the cost basis of the structure, or you can enter it as a physically separate asset. Either way, it still gets depreciation over 27.5 years. Depreciation of that asset starts on the date you place it in service as a rental asset, and not the date it was purchased and paid for.
Assuming 2019 is the first time you are dealing with rental property in the TurboTax program, the below information is provided to provide you the clarity that in my personal option, the program lacks for reasons of brevity.
Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.
Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.
RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED
Property Improvement.
Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.
To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:
1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.
2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.
Cleaning & Maintenance
Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.
Repair
Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.
Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.
However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a 2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.
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I am depreciating my condo since I am now renting it out as of 2019. I will only depreciate the condo’s original purchase price and separately any improvements from 2019, A new roof, floor and the existing appliances left behind. Would that be correct ?
Much appreciated.
Ok I got it. Whatever was added as a capital improvement over the years I will add to the basis for brevity purposes.
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Ok I got it. Whatever was added as a capital improvement over the years I will add to the basis for brevity purposes.
That's the simplest way to do it. However, I do have one recommendation. If you purchased any new appliances for the condo since your initial purchase of the condo, do not include the cost of those new appliances in the cost basis of "ANY" asset, and do not depreciate them separately. If you go agasint my suggestion and depreciate appliances separately, they are depreciated over 5 years and not 27.5 years. Here's the potential blow-back if you claim the appliances as a rental asset.
Basically, they are classified as a type of "equipment". In a vast majority of states and locales within a state, any "equipment" used to generate income is subject to a state and/or local "tangibles property tax" which is assessed by the taxing authority on that equipment each and every year that equipment is in service as an income producing asset. It is most common in such a scenario that the tangible property tax you pay each and every year, will be more than any "savings" you may realize by depreciating it. But since rental property practically "always" operates at a loss on paper at tax filing time, you don't "really" feel the savings, but you "do" feel the tangible property tax you have to pay each and every year. So it's best to just leave appliances out of your taxes as a separate asset, totally and completely.
Struggling to learn here!
1. Add any non appliance unit or common area capital improvement to the condo or condo common area basis.
2. Are improvements incurred this current year such as a partial roof fix for a 3000 assessment handled differently and separately? All taken this current year or over the 5 year?
I owe you a King of the Turbo Tax Kingdom for sure!
Improvements are changes that make the property more valuable. Repairs just return the property to working order. Patching a roof is a repair, while replacing the entire roof is an improvement.
Paying someone to fix a stove is a repair, while a new stove is an asset.
Improvements are listed as assets and the deduction is spread over a period of years.
Repairs can be deducted fully in the current year.
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