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Is income from a rental property considered earned income?

@DiddlyD   The determination of how much Social Security is taxed has nothing to do with "earned" or "unearned" income.  It is just based on "income" (both earned and unearned).

Is income from a rental property considered earned income?


@DiddlyD wrote:

But rental property income can be passive income not considered "earned" that is the whole point.  If passive and you have reached full retirement age, It is treated the same as pension income and is not counted against or used to determine taxable SS. 


 

No.  As I said before, ALL income is counted to determine taxable SS, including pensions and rental income.

Is income from a rental property considered earned income?

I finally get it now, I'm confusing the reduced "monthly SS income" with the taxing of SS income.  The reduced SS rules exempted unearned income from reducing your SS payments and sunset upon reaching full retirement age so you can work as much as you want without fear it will reduce your SS check each month.  But SS income is always subject to income tax which is based on all sources of income including SS that exceed the IRS threshold and can tax you on 50-85% of your total SS income for the year.  So the higher your income, the more tax you pay on SS income.   It's not just junk change either as it amounts to about 120.00 a month of my SS I do not realize in the end due to Federal taxation on my SS at a rate determined by my overall tax bracket.   I can understand the 50% of the SS amount since the employer pays half of this into SS for you during your employment, but why 85% just because you earn more doesn't seem to justify the higher percentage to me.  Time to move on!

Hal_Al
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Is income from a rental property considered earned income?

 The reduced "monthly SS income" is only applicable for those who start SS early.   When you reach full retirement age,  there will be no more reductions in your benefit if your continue to work.  "Full retirement age'' is between 66 and 67 depending on what year you were born,  It  will be 67 for those born in 1960 or later. 

Is income from a rental property considered earned income?

Full retirement was 65 for some people 66 for me and 67 for younger persons and the age requirement may increase in the future too there has been talk.  I did state it was for SS benefits received before full retirement and of course you would have to be collecting SS for it to apply, whether SDI or regular SS benefits.   

Is income from a rental property considered earned income?

I respectfully disagree for one reason, there is a rule based on "earned (wages)" vs "unearned (investment)"  income while receiving early SS/SDI/SSI that can affect your SS payments until full retirement age, what ever it is, that can appear to be a kind of tax/penalty too.  This turns out to be a Federal SS administration rule not a Federal IRS rule even though both are based on income reported to the Federal government, which is what caused my confusion until I figured it out.  Since I only had "unearned" investment income until full retirement age, I was not effected.  But someone that needs to supplement their SS to make ends meet can suffer this ding or penalty based on Reported "earned" (wages)  income.   

 

Now this is apparently in addition to  paying taxes on SS payments actually received if you exceed an established limit to included all sources of income including SS too and therefore can be responsible for increasing your entire tax bracket on all taxable income no doubt.  So SS payments can result in decreasing your over all net income.  Something people should understand well when planning for retirement.     

 

The thing is both scenarios are based on Federally reported incomes, albeit one is a Federal SS rule and the other is an Federal IRS rule, but still is based reported incomes and can cause confusion as it did for me. 

 

I hope this helps someone else understand the differences on both these Federal income related issues surrounding SS.  

 

This had been difficult to understand as these two separate government rules whether a tax or reduced monthly payments can ultimately reduce your bottom line unless you are low income. 

Is income from a rental property considered earned income?

PAL Rules don't apply to renters who rent for less than 7 days on average (IRS Reg. SS 1.469-IT(e)(3)(ii)(A). Thus, the rental activity can be filed using a Schedule C and not considered passive income.

 

Cheers!

Is income from a rental property considered earned income?


@scottulves wrote:

PAL Rules don't apply to renters who rent for less than 7 days on average (IRS Reg. SS 1.469-IT(e)(3)(ii)(A). Thus, the rental activity can be filed using a Schedule C and not considered passive income.


 

It would be passive, but unless "services" are provided, it still goes on Schedule E and would NOT be "earned" income.

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