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DavidD66
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How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

You can't use a passive activity loss (PAL) from one rental property to offset the gain on the sale of another rental property.  You may deduct, in full, any previously disallowed PAL in the year you dispose of the entire interest in that activty, but not any PAL from other activities/properties.  

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How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

Hi, Thanks for the reply.   My CPA at my financial firm says that the other suspended carryforward Passive losses from the rental properties should also trigger since I sold this one rental.   He referenced IRC section 469.  Also my financial planner sent me this link which discusses this happening in Turbotax for his sale of just one property.  The question is how do I get the turbotax program to perform this task?

 

Here is the link: HTTS://TTLC.INTUIT.COM/COMMUNITY/TAXES/DISCUSSION/SCHEDULE-E-PASSIVELOSSES-ERRONEOUSLY-OFFSET-MY-CAPITAL-GAINS/00/2902393

 

THANKS AGAIN FOR ANY HELP THAT CAN MAKE THIS HAPPEN IN THE tURBO TAX PROGRAM.

DavidD66
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How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

You are correct.  I did some additional checking and I was able to find a credible source  - an article from the AICPA's publication "The Tax Advisor" that indicates that you can offset the gain from the sale of one rental property with the suspended losses from other rental properties.  According to the article Disposing of an Activity to Release Suspended Passive Losses:

When an entire interest in a passive activity is sold to an unrelated party, current and suspended losses related to the activity may be used according to the following rules (Sec. 469(g)(1)(A)):

1. If the entire gain or loss from the sale of the property is recognized, the current-year loss from the activity (including all suspended losses) can be offset in full against any gain from disposing of the property or combined with the loss from such disposition.

2. If gain remains after item 1, it can be offset against any losses (including suspended losses) from all other passive activities. Any remaining gain is reported in the normal manner. However, any loss remaining is carried forward as a suspended passive loss.

3. If the result of item 1 is a loss, this loss can be offset against any net income or gain from all other passive activities (net of suspended losses carried from earlier years). If any of the loss from the disposed activity remains, it can then be deducted as a nonpassive loss. 

So, now for your question: How do you get TurboTax to make this happen?  I created a return in TurboTax with two rental properties, both that had a suspended Passive Activity Loss (PAL) from prior years.  I disposed of one the properties, resulting in a gain that exceeded the current year loss and PAL for that property.  The program automatically used both the current year and suspended PAL from the other property (the one that wasn't  sold) to offset the gain.  Nothing had to be done to "trigger" the release of the PAL from the second property.  The program did it automatically.  

 

On Form 8582 - Passive Activity Loss Limitations you can see this on Part 1, line 1a through 1d.  Your prior year PALs should have carried forward from 2023 and appear on Part IV, collumn (c).  If this isn't happening in your return, I can't explain why.   

 

Are you using TurboTax Online, or TurboTax Desktop?  If you're not using Desktop, I strongly recommend switching, so you can see your Forms and supporting worksheets.  In many instances (but not all), you can make entries directly on the Form or worksheet.  

 

Finally, if you can't get it to work in your return, I would like to take a deeper look at it.  However, To do so, I need a diagnostic file which is a copy of your tax return that has all of your personal information removed. You can send one to us by following the directions below:  

 

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How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

In the introductory part of the rental section (where you enter the address of the rental, etc.), there should be a checkbox saying you disposed of the property "in a fully taxable transaction".  That is what you need to check.

How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

Thanks so much for you reply!  I have enough passive losses to cover the gain on the rental property that I sold within the sold rental, but I have other rentals that were not sold that I am being told should also release their suspended carry forward losses against my other income on my tax return.    The program is not doing that.  My  old CPA I used to use says that this should be happening, but it is not.   I sold a property in 2019 and what the CPA is telling me is what happened back then in Turbot tax.  That gave me a big refund of taxes that I had already paid in quarterly estimated taxes.   For some reason this is not happening this time for me.  Thanks agin for you reply! 

How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

Thanks for you reply.  Yes, I had already done what you suggested.  Have a good day.

How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

FYI: Based on what you said, I went into my return and changed the carry forward losses on the rental I sold to $0.00 and the turbotax program is not pulling from the carry forward losses of the other rental properties.  So, it seems like it is not working properly for me for some reason.  Also, I have the desktop version.  Thanks again for your help!  Have a great day!

AmyC
Expert Alumni

How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

It sounds like the program is working as if  this is a normal rental house. Usually a rental house stands on its own and claims only the suspended losses associated with that house. There are exceptions. 

 

If this is a normal rental house, you only claim the losses for that house.  Passive losses from other rental houses do not go on the sale of another house. The IRS requires separate books for each house unless you meet one of the exceptions - which you don't mention.

 

The most common exception would be to have them grouped. If you had all of the houses grouped, then the group would sustain the income and loss. We can't see your return to know how you have been claiming your houses or what you have done. Selling one house out of a group is difficult and requires a lot of effort.

 

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How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?


@AmyC wrote:

Passive losses from other rental houses do not go on the sale of another house.


 

Passive losses from other rental houses can be used to the extent there is passive income from any passive activity.  If the sale resulted in a gain, there is passive income.

How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

 

Here is my Diagonostic code to my draft return.    Thanks again for your help.   FYI: I sold one of our rentals in 2019 and it took from the other properties suspended passive activity losses from the other rentals to offset my gain on the rental I sold.  I was use Turbotax home and business every year, so I know it worked properly back then, but is not working for this year.  The properties have always been individual rentals.   Thanks again for your help!

 

FYI: everytime I try to send the diagnostic code in this post this is what I get:   The invalid HTML has been removed. Please review the message and submit the message when you are satisfied.

 

 

 

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PatriciaV
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How do i trigger carry forward losses from other rental properties to offset gains on a rental property i sold last year ?

Please post a screenshot of your token rather than typing the number. The Community filters eliminate numbers with dashes. Be sure to tag the agent who requested the token (DavidD66) with "@" in front of the username. And include the state modules you have installed.

 

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