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Turbotax bug re: 1098-T and scholarships

I've entered the information for my son's 1098-T, where his tuition and related expenses is larger, by far, than a listed scholarship. The box 1 expense is more than double the scholarship amount (and coincidentally, is the amount after the scholarship is applied). Despite this, Turbotax claims my child needs to file taxes and include the scholarship "because scholarships and other education assistance are considered taxable income if they exceed (child's name)'s educational expenses". This statement is clearly wrong, the scholarship is 1/3 of his tuition expense. This is a Turbotax bug, you are giving wrong information to the user.

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Hal_Al
Level 15

Turbotax bug re: 1098-T and scholarships

Typically this happens because TurboTax allocates some of the box 1 the expenses to the tuition credit, allowing you to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC) on your tax return. That means that the qualified expenses  allocated to the scholarship are reduced, possibly making some  of the  scholarship  taxable on the student's tax return. 

 

That  statement is not  clearly wrong, until we know what the amounts are, even if  the scholarship is 1/3 of his tuition expense. Example: box 1 is $4000, box 5 is $1333.  Parent claims the whole $4000 for the AOC (and TT will do that), then the whole $1333 is taxable to the student. 

 

What are the amounts in boxes 1 and 5? Does he have other qualifying expenses, fees, books, other course materials, including a required computer (do not include room & board)? 

Turbotax bug re: 1098-T and scholarships

Using rough numbers:

 

His tuition/fees/etc charged by the university is approx 24,000

His scholarship is approx 8,000 (Western University Exchange, aka WUE)

Box one reports approx 16,000, which is what we paid out of pocket.

Box 5 reports the approx 8,000.

 

I withdrew the approx 16,000 from a 529 plan. Interestingly, when done with this, it appeared my tax return reduced, as though Turbotax is treating some of the 529 as taxable, even though it went entirely and exactly to the university. I haven't tracked this down or confirmed it yet.

Hal_Al
Level 15

Turbotax bug re: 1098-T and scholarships

The reason TT found some of the scholarship taxable is because some of the expenses were diverted to the 529 distribution, as well as the tuition credit.  While room and board (R&B) are not qualified expenses for  a tuition credit or tax free scholarship. R&B are qualified for the 529 distribution.  You need to enter the R&B paid. 

 

You said "16,000, which is what we paid out of pocket" and the 529 distribution  "went entirely and exactly to the university".  Those statements don't matter. At tax time, you need to allocate your expenses.

There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

  1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
  2. Use them to claim an education credit
  3. Allocate them to the 529 distribution (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable

TurboTax allocates QEE, in that order, but it doesn't do a very good job if you want something different. TurboTax allocates QEE, in that order, until you tell it otherwise.  It's best if you have some idea of the outcome desired, when you make your entries. 

 

Right now, you do not have enough expenses to do all three.  You're $4000 short. Usually the best choice is to make $4000 of the scholarship taxable. 

 

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B on campus charge. If he lives at home, the school’s R&B “allowance for cost of attendance” for student living with parents.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?
  • Is the student a degree candidate attending school half time or more?

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

There is  $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

Turbotax bug re: 1098-T and scholarships

Hi,

 

I just wanted to circle back and thank you for the help and confirm that it was a misunderstanding on my side. There was no tuition credit involved. The simple answer is that the 1098-T report of qualifying items does not include room and board, while 529 qualifying items does include room and board. A little bit of trickiness thanks to the government using the same qualifying items terminology for both, but they are different items.

 

The deceptive part of it for me, personally, was that the room and board and scholarship amounts were almost equal, so it appeared that the 1098-T was reporting total cost (including room and board) with scholarship removed. This is why I had not added room & board separately. But that was wrong. Once I realized that Box 1 of the 1098-T was total cost of tuition and related costs and fees ONLY, without room and board, and without scholarship deduction, and completed the room and board line in Turbotax, the taxation on the 529 withdrawal went away and my refund returned to its original amount.

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