We have one daughter, 21 yrs, 4th yr college (less than 4 years AOC)
1098T Box 1 is $62K; Box 5 is $28K
Am getting an AOC credit of $177 (Line 30 of Form 8863)
Shouldn't it be an AOC credit of at least $2500?
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Based on the numbers you provided, TurboTax has done it accurately. You are entitled to an AOC of $177.
There are simply not enough expenses to cover the 529 distribution, keep the scholarship tax free and get you the full $2500 AOC. So, what we usually do is re-allocate expenses for a more favorable outcome.
In your case it's real easy: stop ignoring room and board (R&B). R&B are qualified expenses for the 529 distribution, even if the student lives off campus. There is a limit to how much you can claim. You can claim your actual expenses or the school's allowance for cost of attendance (basically what on campus residents pay), which ever is less. You don't need to bother finding out what that is, we can be certain that it's less than the $3823 (4000-177) you need to claim the full AOC.
So, bottom line, ignore the 1099-Q* (delete it from TT). Enter the 1098-T on your return to claim the full AOC.
* The 1099-Q is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your (or your student's) tax return. The interview is complicated and it's easy to make mistakes. Avoid it if you can and you can.
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home or off campus) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records (you don’t need it). You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships.
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Is that the only form (no 1099-Q)
What is on Form 8863 line 27?
Line 27 on Form 8863 is $177
My 1099Q Part QTP Line 2d is $33,140 (Total Qualified Education Expense attributable to this QTP)
Trying to get the AOC when there is also a QTP distribution can get tricky in TT.
Provide the following info for more specific help:
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit regardless of whose money was used to pay the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
There is $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. A student, with no other income, can have up to $14,600 of taxable scholarship (in 2024) and still pay no income tax.
Here's my screenshot of answers to your questions (Thank you!)
Based on the numbers you provided, TurboTax has done it accurately. You are entitled to an AOC of $177.
There are simply not enough expenses to cover the 529 distribution, keep the scholarship tax free and get you the full $2500 AOC. So, what we usually do is re-allocate expenses for a more favorable outcome.
In your case it's real easy: stop ignoring room and board (R&B). R&B are qualified expenses for the 529 distribution, even if the student lives off campus. There is a limit to how much you can claim. You can claim your actual expenses or the school's allowance for cost of attendance (basically what on campus residents pay), which ever is less. You don't need to bother finding out what that is, we can be certain that it's less than the $3823 (4000-177) you need to claim the full AOC.
So, bottom line, ignore the 1099-Q* (delete it from TT). Enter the 1098-T on your return to claim the full AOC.
* The 1099-Q is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your (or your student's) tax return. The interview is complicated and it's easy to make mistakes. Avoid it if you can and you can.
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home or off campus) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records (you don’t need it). You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships.
References:
Thank you so much for your advice!
Now that I have adjusted my values for room & board, for Part I of Form 8863, TT gives me an AOC of $2500 on Line 1. But in the Step by Step, the green AOC credit amount is $1635. Shouldn't it be $2500 (in green)
The usual explanation is: you only had a tax liability of $635. The AOC is only 40% refundable. Verify: There is $1000 on line 29 of form 1040 but only $635 on lines 18 & 20.
1040: Line 29 AOC Credit $654
Line 18 (Add Lines 16 & 17) $20K
Line 20 $982
Then you have only entered $1635 of adjusted qualified expenses.
Delete the 1099-Q and don't re-enter it.
Delete the 1098-T to get rid of previously enter data that may be interfering. Re-enter the 1098-T
Thanks, again!
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