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So I know Room and Board qualify for expenses for a 529 Distribution but don't know how to enter it? The 1099-Q has earnings in Box 2 as part of what we withdrew was used earmarked for Room and Board. As a result my daughter is getting taxed on a portion in Box 2 when I step through the program . I've seen others say you can just not enter it if your expenses exceed the distribution but is there in fact a place this can be entered so I have the applicable paperwork?
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Q. I've seen others say you can just not enter it if your expenses exceed the distribution?
A. Yes and that is what you should do and avoid the frustration of getting TT to do it right.
Reference: On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
Q. But is there in fact a place this can be entered so I have the applicable paperwork?
A. Yes. First, enter the 1099-Q before you enter the 1098-T, so that TT knows you qualify for room & board.
To get the screen to enter Room & Board, answer yes when asked if you have book expenses.
If you've already entered everything, try this before you start deleting stuff:
Go through the entire education interview until you reach a screen titled "Your Education Expenses Summary". Click edit next to the student's name. That should take you to a screen “Here’s your Education Summary”. Click edit next to the section you want to change; other education expenses, in your case.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
There is $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
Yes. You are correct.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient read: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution.
If your daughter's qualified education expenses including room and board cover the distribution from the 529 plan, you do not need to enter the form 1099-Q on your tax return.
You just keep a copy of form 1099-Q and proof of education expenses including room and board in your tax records in case of an IRS inquiry or audit.
We are unable to claim the Tax Credit (Highlighted in Red). I don't know if that makes any difference in your reply.
Q. We are unable to claim the Tax Credit (Highlighted in Red). I don't know if that makes any difference in your reply?
A. Yes or maybe. One more reason not to enter the 1099-Q.
Beware that in your son's interview, TurboTax may (usually does) assume that the parents have claimed the tuition credit. You should reach a screen "amount used to claim the education credit". TT will have prepopulated that with $4000, you should change it to 0.
Be advised some people are saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" (or “Education Expenses used for a Tax Credit”) screen on the dependent’s interview. Check the student information work sheet (part VI, line 17) to verify that 0 was use (you can change it on the work sheet (first column).
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Go through the entire education interview, again, until you reach a screen titled "Your Education Expenses Summary". Click edit next to the student's name. That should take you to a screen “Here’s your Education Summary”. Click edit next to “Education Information”. When you get to the screen titled “Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit”or “Education Expenses used for a Tax Credit” , verify the amount you want to use or change it.
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