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How to deduct my 529 payment?

Hi,

I have 529 account with Fidelity for my daughter as the beneficiary. My daughter is in college now.

 

As Fidelity advised, one of the ways to withdraw the 529 fund and pay the tuition is by depositing the money to my fidelity accounts and make a debit payment to school. I have done this.

 

However, when I received my 1099-Q, it has my name on it. Turbo Tax consider this as taxable income. When I consult with Fidelity, they said that there is another step to tell Turbo Tax that the money I withdrew was paid to the school. We can provide the withdrawal and school payment history.   

 

Can you please let me know the additional step in TurboTax that I need to do so that the college payment would not be taxable and I can deduct it?

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Hal_Al
Level 15

How to deduct my 529 payment?

You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

 

That said, your question was "where is the additional step in TurboTax that I need to do so that the college payment would not be taxable?"

Enter  her 1098-T and other educational expense later, in the program, at "Educational Expenses".

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

How to deduct my 529 payment?

Let me make sure I understand this.

 

If the distribution doesn’t exceed the amount of the student's qualifying expenses, then you don't have to report any of the distribution as income on your tax return. If the distribution exceeds these expenses, then you must report the earnings on the excess as "other income" on your tax return.

 

In my case, I withdrew into my account (not the student's account) the exactly amount of the education expenses (tuition, fees, room and boarding) as billed by the school and then paid the school the exact amount; dollar-to-dollar. I have the receipts and bank transactions showing this. In this case, I don't have to report anything from the 1099-Q and cannot deduct it, right? 

 

However, I should still her 1098-T under "Educational Expenses"?

Hal_Al
Level 15

How to deduct my 529 payment?

Yes, you understand it correctly. You don't have to report anything from the 1099-Q.

You then ask "cannot deduct it, right?"   You cannot deduct the 1099-Q, because you have already "excluded' it.  There is no need to enter her 1098-T under Educational Expenses, because you have effectively already claimed those expenses for the 1099-Q. 

 

If " deduct it" means you are asking can you claim the tuition credit based on the tuition you paid;  the simple answer is No, because you have already used that tuition to claim the 529 plan earnings exclusion.  You cannot double dip.

 

Your next question should be: was that the right thing to do?  The answer is no (most likely).  Unless you are ineligible for the tuition credit, due to high income, the tuition credit is much more generous. It's 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 and it's partially refundable.  It's better to pay a little tax on the 529 distribution and claim the full tuition credit. This is also described above.

 

So, if you want to claim the tuition credit, you do need to enter the 1099-Q and the 1098-T and let TurboTax do the calculations (example above). Enter the 1099-Q first.

How to deduct my 529 payment?

Thank you! That is exactly what I did (i.e., entered the 1099-Q first then 1098-T).

 

Should I continue withdraw fund from 529 this way into my account and pay my student's tuition this way going forward, or should let 529 bank pay directly to the school? OR, it doesn't make any difference.

 

Btw, the amount stated on the 1098-T is not exactly the same as on 1099-Q even though all are qualified expenses. Is there anything not included in 1098-T? 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

How to deduct my 529 payment?

Q. Should I continue withdraw fund from 529 this way into my account and pay my student's tuition this way going forward, or should let 529 bank pay directly to the school? OR, it doesn't make any difference?

A. it doesn't make much difference. If the 529 Plan Bank distributes the money to the school, the student-beneficiary becomes the recipient, rather than the parent-owner.  If the taxable amount is small, the student probably pays a little less tax, but at some point the "kiddie tax" (student is taxed at parent's marginal rate) kicks in. 

 

Q.  The amount stated on the 1098-T is not exactly the same as on 1099-Q even though all are qualified expenses. Is there anything not included in 1098-T? 

A.  Room and board (even off campus) are qualified expenses for a 529 distribution, but are not included on the 1098-T. Computer and books are also not on the 1098-T.  If the 1098-T and the the 1099-Q are about the same, then you can probably claim the tuition credit  without paying any tax on the 1099-Q.  Room &board, books and computer can be used for the 1099-Q, allowing you to easily claim $4000 of tuition for the American Opportunity Credit

 

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