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I entered Form 1099-Q on my taxes and on my son's taxes as well.
On his return, it is counting all of it as income and saying he owes over $4,000 in taxes.
Did I enter something wrong?
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@Kjara98 - Apparently TurboTax (TT) did not report any of the 1099-Q, as income on your return. Verify this by looking at line 8 of Schedule 1. So, you should not need to file an amended return (more on that later).
So, your son probably needs to report some income. But, to verify that, you should post some numbers here. What are:
His box 1 1098-T amount
His box 5 1098-T amount
Who's name and SS# are on the 1099-Q
The amount in box 1 of the 1099-Q
The amount in box 2 of the 1099-Q
The amount of book and other course material (incl. computers) not in box 1 of the 1098-T
The amount paid for Room and board (if he lives at home, the amount the school charges on campus students).
See below for a more on this subject.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans)
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit (AOC) on the parent's return
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
(if you did not claim the AOC, you probably want to file an amended return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.
The 1099-Q should only be posted to one tax return. The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to.
When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
Thank you, John.
That's helpful. I (the parent) already submitted my taxes with the 1099-Q entered into the calculations.
Can my son submit his without the form, or will that get him into tax trouble?
When TurboTax calculated the 1099-Q into my taxes it said: "Student beneficiary must report $2,111 of taxable income."
So should my son report that as miscellaneous income or something?
@Kjara98 - Apparently TurboTax (TT) did not report any of the 1099-Q, as income on your return. Verify this by looking at line 8 of Schedule 1. So, you should not need to file an amended return (more on that later).
So, your son probably needs to report some income. But, to verify that, you should post some numbers here. What are:
His box 1 1098-T amount
His box 5 1098-T amount
Who's name and SS# are on the 1099-Q
The amount in box 1 of the 1099-Q
The amount in box 2 of the 1099-Q
The amount of book and other course material (incl. computers) not in box 1 of the 1098-T
The amount paid for Room and board (if he lives at home, the amount the school charges on campus students).
See below for a more on this subject.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans)
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit (AOC) on the parent's return
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
(if you did not claim the AOC, you probably want to file an amended return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.
Thanks so much for your input!
Here are some numbers...
Nothing reported on Schedule 1 line 8 of my taxes.
His box 1 1098-T amount = 38,802
His box 5 1098-T amount= 22,177
Who's name and SS# are on the 1099-Q = my son's
The amount in box 1 of the 1099-Q = 10,789
The amount in box 2 of the 1099-Q = 5,874
The amount of book and other course material (incl. computers) not in box 1 of the 1098-T = 287
The amount paid for Room and board = 10,329
...Would those numbers require him to report taxable income from the 1099-Q?
Q. Would those numbers require him to report taxable income from the 1099-Q?
A. No. You have more than enough expenses to cover both the 1099-Q (529 plan distribution) and claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC) on your tax return.
Do not report the 1099-Q on his return. Also, none of his scholarship is taxable either (box 1 of the 1098-T exceeds box 5 by more than $4000), so he should not enter the 1098-T on his return, either.
If you did not claim the AOC, on your return (you should have $1500 on line 3 of Schedule 3 and $1000 on line 18c of form 1040), you should file an amended return to do so. This assumes you are otherwise eligible. See https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/AOTC
Thanks so much!
Phew! I think I have it figured out! 🙂
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