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RoadDogg95
Returning Member

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

My daughter is in her first year of college.  I purchased a computer for her and paid an orientation fee.  I was reimbursed for those items from her 529 plan and received a 1099-Q in my name for $916.

 

Her tuition, books, room, and board were paid directly to the college from the 529 plan.  She received a 1099-Q for the distribution.  Her fall 2021 semester was paid in August 2021 and her spring 2022 semester was paid in December 2021, so her 1099-Q has a distribution of $17,830 which is for both semesters. The 1098-T she received for education payments in 2021 was only for $6,670, which is part of the expenses for the fall 2021 semester.

 

Since I claimed her as a dependent, I entered the 1098-T information on my taxes. However, since she has the $17,830 529 plan distribution on her taxes with no education expenses, she is now owing $1400 plus in taxes. 

 

Is there a way to account for the distribution since it actually applies to two different tax years?  The distribution on her 1099-Q went directly to the school to cover allowed expenses - how do I explain that in Turbo Tax?

 

Thanks!

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Hal_Al
Level 15

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

Q. I qualify for the American Opportunity Credit (AOC).  Is there anything I need to change on my return at this point?'

A. YES.

 

Q. You had mentioned that I could just delete the 1098-T and 1099-Q data from my and my daughter's returns.

A. That's not longer true, now that you are claiming the tuition credit. 

 

First,  do delete your 1099-Q form your return.  You have sufficient expenses to cover it (the computer  and orientation fee).  Then enter the 1098-T on your return, under educational expense, under deductions and credits. TT will automatically give you the AOC. You do not need to enter any other numbers, only  the box 1 amount. 

 

On the student's return, enter the 1099-Q first, then later, at educational expenses, enter the 1098-T and the books and room and board expenses. In her interview, you should eventually reach a screen called "Amount used to calculate education deduction or credit" Be sure the amount in that box is $4000 (the amount you used on your return). That will reduce the amount of expenses she uses for her 1099-Q, making some of it taxable

Be advised some people are saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen on the dependent’s return.  Go through the entire education interview until you reach a screen titled "Your Education Expenses Summary".  Click edit next to the student's name. That should take you to a screen “Here’s your Education Summary”. Click edit next to “Education Information”. When you get to the screen titled “Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit”, verify the amount you want to use or change it.  

 

If you still don't get that screen, The  workaround is  to enter $4000 less than the actual box 1  amount, when you enter the 1098-T. 

 

The calculation goes like this: $17830 total expense minus 4000 used for AOC = 13,830 available for 529 distribution (1099-Q).  13,830 / 17830 = 77.56% of the earnings are tax free (22.44% are taxable). 0.2244 x 10260 = 2301 taxable income (from the 1099-Q) on her return.  TT should do all that. The calcs will show on the Student info worksheet and the 1099-Q worksheet.  TT will also prepare form 5329 to claim the penalty exception (you using some expenses for the AOC).  Be advised that income is subject to the "kiddie tax" (taxed at the parent's marginal tax rate). Form 8615 will be generated.

 

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Hal_Al
Level 15

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

 

Chances are that your room and board are more than the $4000 needed to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), allowing you to allocate $4000 of tuition to the AOC. So you can still skip entering the 1099-Qs. 

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

 

 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

The 1098-T is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. However receipt of a 1098-T frequently means you are either eligible for a tuition credit or possibly your student has taxable scholarship income. 

If you claim the tuition credit, you do need to report that you got one or that you qualify for an exception (the TurboTax interview will handle this)

You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T. In the 1098-T screen, click on the link "What if this is not what I paid the school" underneath box 1. You will then be able to enter the actual amounts paid. You will also reach a screen that allows you to adjust the scholarship amount for "amounts not awarded for 2021 expenses".

Or if you find it easier, just change the numbers in boxes 1& 5 to what your records show. The 1098-T that you enter in TT is not sent to the IRS.

FangxiaL
Expert Alumni

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

Check to see how much is reported as earnings in Box 2 of your daughter's 1099-Q. If she did not earn other income, very likely she does not need to file her own tax return. Just ignore her 1099-Q form and keep it as part of your tax documents. 

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RoadDogg95
Returning Member

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

Thanks for your response. My daughter did have other income from two part-time jobs during 2021 and will need to file a tax return.

RoadDogg95
Returning Member

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

Thanks for your response. I'm sorry to say that I'm still pretty confused going through this for the first time.

 

In my case, my daughter has income from two part-time jobs during 2021 and will need to file a tax return. Based on the earlier responses to my questions, should I just enter the total education expenses paid during 2021 since she is my dependent (the distribution of $17,830 from her 529 plan), my 1099-Q of $916, and not enter anything from her 1099-Q or educational expenses on her taxes?

 

Thank you!

Hal_Al
Level 15

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

It's complicated. In order to know what to enter, you need some idea of the results expected and/or needed. The interview is complicated because it has to handle multiple scenarios.  

There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

  1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
  2. Use them to claim an education credit
  3. Allocate them to the 529 distribution (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable

TurboTax allocates QEE, in that order, until you tell it otherwise.

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • How much was paid in 2021 for 2022  and not reported on 1098-T (I assume $11,160 [17830 - 6670])
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of your 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of your 1098-Q
  • Box 1 of her 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of her 1098-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge. If the student lives at home, only the school's board charge for on campus students. 
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?

 

 

 

RoadDogg95
Returning Member

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

Thank you so much for your help!  I'm entering my info below in red next to the bullet points.

 

  • Box 1 of the 1098-T   $6,670.00
  • box 5 of the 1098-T   Blank
  • How much was paid in 2021 for 2022 and not reported on 1098-T (I assume $11,160 [17830 - 6670])  That is correct.  Full payment for fall 2021 semester was $9,310 and for spring 2022 was $8,520.
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5  None
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)  No
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition  No scholarships
  • Box 1 of your 1099-Q  $915.85 for a computer and an orientation fee
  • Box 2 of your 1099-Q  $525.18
  • Box 1 of her 1099-Q  $17,830.00
  • Box 2 of her 1099-Q  $10,259.87
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?  My name is on the one I received with my SS#, and my daughter's name is on her 1099-Q with her SS#.
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge. If the student lives at home, only the school's board charge for on campus students. 
    • The expenses for Fall 2021 semester were:
      • Tuition=$3,040.00
      • Books & Fees=$980.00
      • Room & Board=$5,290.00 
    • The expenses for Spring 2022 semester were:
      • Tuition=$2,470.00
      • Books & Feels=$860.00
      • Room & Board=$5,190.00
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers Included above
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources  She has income from two part-time jobs of $5,032.26, with $215.20 federal tax withheld.
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)? I'm not sure what this means...
Hal_Al
Level 15

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)? I'm not sure what this means...

The government offers generous Tuition tax credits. The most generous (American Opportunity Credit) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition paid and 25% of the 2nd $2000; up to $2500 total tax credit.  You want to claim this credit, even if it means paying some tax on part of the 529 distribution.   But, upper income people are not eligible.

To claim the full credit, your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) must be $80,000 or less ($160,000 or less for married filing jointly). You receive a reduced amount of the credit if your MAGI is over $80,000 but less than $90,000 (over $160,000 but less than $180,000 for married filing jointly).

Hal_Al
Level 15

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

Box 1 of the 1098-T only contains Tuition and fees.  It doe not include any other expenses, like books or room and board.  It now seems you didn't know that.  Based on the other numbers you provided, the 1098-T is probable correct, you paid $6670 in tuition and fees in 2021. 

 

Your expenses and 529 distributions match perfectly. The simple thing to to is not enter either the 1098-T or the 1099-Qs on either you or your daughter's tax returns.

 

But if you are eligible for the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), you should claim that.  That will make a portion of her 1099-Q taxable (rough estimate about $2300).

Reply back if you need instructions on entering in TT

 

 

 

 

RoadDogg95
Returning Member

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

Thanks again for your help!

 

I currently have my 1099-Q for $915.85 and all the education expenses totaling $17,830 entered on my tax form.  My AGI is below the upper level for married filing jointly so TT says I qualify for the American Opportunity Credit.  Is there anything I need to change on my return at this point?'

 

You had mentioned that I could just delete the 1098-T and 1099-Q data from my and my daughter's returns. If I do that, how do I obtain the credit? What would I need to enter on my daughter's return that would make a portion of her 1099-Q taxable?

 

Thank you!

 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

Q. I qualify for the American Opportunity Credit (AOC).  Is there anything I need to change on my return at this point?'

A. YES.

 

Q. You had mentioned that I could just delete the 1098-T and 1099-Q data from my and my daughter's returns.

A. That's not longer true, now that you are claiming the tuition credit. 

 

First,  do delete your 1099-Q form your return.  You have sufficient expenses to cover it (the computer  and orientation fee).  Then enter the 1098-T on your return, under educational expense, under deductions and credits. TT will automatically give you the AOC. You do not need to enter any other numbers, only  the box 1 amount. 

 

On the student's return, enter the 1099-Q first, then later, at educational expenses, enter the 1098-T and the books and room and board expenses. In her interview, you should eventually reach a screen called "Amount used to calculate education deduction or credit" Be sure the amount in that box is $4000 (the amount you used on your return). That will reduce the amount of expenses she uses for her 1099-Q, making some of it taxable

Be advised some people are saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen on the dependent’s return.  Go through the entire education interview until you reach a screen titled "Your Education Expenses Summary".  Click edit next to the student's name. That should take you to a screen “Here’s your Education Summary”. Click edit next to “Education Information”. When you get to the screen titled “Amount Used to Calculate Education Deduction or Credit”, verify the amount you want to use or change it.  

 

If you still don't get that screen, The  workaround is  to enter $4000 less than the actual box 1  amount, when you enter the 1098-T. 

 

The calculation goes like this: $17830 total expense minus 4000 used for AOC = 13,830 available for 529 distribution (1099-Q).  13,830 / 17830 = 77.56% of the earnings are tax free (22.44% are taxable). 0.2244 x 10260 = 2301 taxable income (from the 1099-Q) on her return.  TT should do all that. The calcs will show on the Student info worksheet and the 1099-Q worksheet.  TT will also prepare form 5329 to claim the penalty exception (you using some expenses for the AOC).  Be advised that income is subject to the "kiddie tax" (taxed at the parent's marginal tax rate). Form 8615 will be generated.

 

RoadDogg95
Returning Member

Daughter's 1099-Q distribution is greater than education expenses

I was able to get everything completed.  Thanks again for all of your help!

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