My son has a 529 account. He lives off campus. I used his 529 account to pay for all of his qualified education expenses. I didnt take anything above his expenses. Nothing should be taxable. I do not claim him as a dependent. My question is: Is he eligible to receive an education credit even though all his education expenses were paid in full with a 529 account? Thank you.
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Q. Is he eligible to receive an education credit even though all his education expenses were paid in full with a 529 account?
A. Yes, but then you will have to pay some tax on the 529 distribution. To put that another way, you and he have to decide which way the family comes out better and then adjust the education expenses to file your tax returns. That is, you allocate some of the expenses to the tuition credit and some to the 529 distribution (and maybe to any scholarships). See details below.
I posted a separate reply about his eligibility for the credit.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
There is $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
No.
You cannot use the same dollars of qualified education credits to justify a 529 distribution and to claim education credits. That would be double-dipping.
However, please note that room and board may be used for the 529 distribution and any left-over expenses may be used by your son to claim education credits. You can also decide to allocate more expenses for the credit and pay taxes on part of the 529 earnings if this is globally more favorable for you and your son.
You say he is not your dependent. Why not? Is he the other parent's dependent? Most college age students still qualify as their parent's dependent and are not generally eligible for the tuition credits.
A full time unmarried student, under age 24, even if you don't qualify as a dependent, is only eligible for the refundable portion of the American Opportunity Credit if he supports himself by working. You cannot be supporting yourself on parental support, 529 plans or student loans & grants. It is usually best if the parent claims that credit.
You cannot claim a credit if you are, or can be, claimed as a dependent by someone else.
Reference: Line 7 instructions for form 8863. https://www.irs.gov/instructions/i8863
He just went back to school and earned over $17,000 last year with his job. He took some time off of school and worked due to online learning and Covid. The first half of the year he worked and the other half he was more than a 1/2 time student. He is 22 but I have not claimed him as a dependent for a couple years due to his full time jobs and not living at home. Thank you.
From the replies it sounds like this year we should not take an education credit. It sounds complicated and I am not exactly sure how to do it.
@blb6117 said "From the replies it sounds like this year we should not take an education credit. It sounds complicated and I am not exactly sure how to do it"
Just the opposite, he should claim the credit. The TT interview is complicated, but there are simple work arounds. In his case, he just enters his 1098-T and nothing about your 1099-Q. TT will give him the credit (I'm assuming he has sufficient expenses in box 1 and any scholarships in box 5 is $4000 or more less than box 1).
You said "I used his 529 account to pay for all of his qualified education expenses. I didn't take anything above his expenses".
Room and board are also qualified expenses* for the 529 distribution (if student is half time or more), even if he lives off campus. So, if you didn't already take out 529 money for R&B, you can safely assume that you had sufficient expenses, for your 529 distribution, even if you son used $4000 to claim the tuition credit.
*529 money can be use for off campus living, but you are limited to the lesser of your actual costs or the school's "allowance for cost for attendance" (basically what on campus students pay for Room & Board).
Thank you for that info. His 1098T has nothing in Box 5. We paid the university directly and pulled funds from the 529 account to reimburse us. Yes, we used 529 funds for room and board. I have seen the cost of attendance sheet for his school so I am aware of those numbers. It just feels like if his college expenses were paid 100% by his 529 account that it wouldnt be appropriate to take an education credit. Thanks again!
" It just feels like if his college expenses were paid 100% by his 529 account that it wouldn't be appropriate to take an education credit"
Yes, at first glance. But if he uses $4000 tuition to claim the credit, he gets $2500 (assuming he has a tax liability of at least $1500). You pay tax on only the earnings portion of $4000 (not the full $4000, see example above). So, say about $2000 taxable income at 12% = $240. The family comes out about $2000 ahead. That is allowed. It's not only allowed, it's encouraged. The 10% penalty is even waived (the tuition credit exception).
If you were the recipient (not him), it's fairly easy to enter in TT, because he's not your dependent.
Enter the 1099-Q. When asked who the student is answer: someone else not listed here. Enter the student's name when asked. A few screens later, you'll get one simple screen to enter expenses. Also $4000 in the box "Tax-free assistance". This reports the earnings as taxable and claims the tuition credit exception. You do not have to deal with the complicated “Educational expenses and Scholarships” (1098-T) section later. TT will prepare form 5329 to claim the penalty exception.
Did you mean that the 1098-T has 17K in Box 1 for Tuition? Or that you had a 529 Distribution with 17K in Box 1 of a 1099-Q?
If you had Total Education Expenses of 25K, and you have a 1099-Q with a 17K distribution, enter it first.
Then, in the Education section, there is an entry for 'Other Education Expenses' where you can enter amounts not included in the Tuition amount shown in Box 1 of the 1098-T (including room and board).
First, do not enter the 1099-Q, at all. Since it is fully covered by expenses, none of it is taxable and does not need to be reported on your (or your student's) tax return.
References:
1.On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
2. IRS Pub 970 states: “Generally, distributions are tax free if they aren't more than the beneficiary's AQEE for the year. Don't report tax-free distributions (including qualifying rollovers) on your tax return”.
I assume the student is your dependent. Enter the 1098-T, on your return, but enter the adjusted expenses. Enter with $8000 in box 1. Do not enter any other numbers. That will give you the education credit.
The 1098-T is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. However receipt of a 1098-T frequently means you are either eligible for a tuition credit or possibly your student has taxable scholarship income.
If you claim the tuition credit, you do need to report that you got one or that you qualify for an exception (the TurboTax interview will handle this)
You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T. In the 1098-T screen, click on the link "What if this is not what I paid the school" underneath box 1. You will then be able to enter the actual (or adjusted) amount paid.
Or if you find it easier, just change the numbers in boxes 1& 5 to what your records show. The 1098-T that you enter in TT is not sent to the IRS.
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