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529 Plan 1099Q

Hi, I have a few questions hoping you can help.

 

I have always claimed my child who is a college student under age 24 as a dependent. He did an internship and earned too much for me to claim him as a dependent (I think).  According to turbotax because the 1098_T shows the box marked as at least half time student and he did an out of state internship for part of the year along with the income he has to file his own tax return. My questions are below:

1- On his return does he claim the 1099-Q because if he does, then it shows up as income; he is the beneficiary and all payments went directly to the University. His education expenses are about $200 more than what is reported on the 1099-Q and 1098-T (those two documents match).

2- When he was on my return I don't recall having to report it

3- Would he qualify for the Lifetime Learning Credit? Or is it because his expenses other than the $200 were covered he does not?

4- Other than the internship income and college expenses his return is very basic.

 

Any guidance is appreciated. Thanks

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Hal_Al
Level 15

529 Plan 1099Q

Q. I have always claimed my child who is a college student under age 24 as a dependent. He did an internship and earned too much for me to claim him as a dependent.  Is that correct?

A. No.  It doe not matter how much a full time student, under 24 makes.  He can still be a dependent.  See below for details.

Q  On his return does he claim the 1099-Q?

A. Yes, but it may not need to be reported at all. See below.  Because all payments went directly to the University, he is considered the recipient.  If it needs to be reported, he reports it, not you.   If the distribution was fully covered by expenses, it does not need to be reported.

 

Q. - When he was on my return I don't recall having to report it?

A.  If the distribution was fully covered by expenses, it did not need to be reported.

 

Q- Would he qualify for the Lifetime Learning Credit (LLC)? Or is it because his expenses other than the $200 were covered he does not?

A. Yes and No.  You cannot not double dip. But you can allocate the expenses so that he claims  (you claim, if he is your dependent)  the tuition credit, by him  paying a little tax on the 529 distribution. See sample calculation below.  The more generous American Opportunity credit (AOTC) is available to undergrads. Grad students can only claim the LLC. 

___________________________________________________________________________________

There are two types of dependents, "Qualifying Children"(QC) and Other ("Qualifying Relative" in IRS parlance even though they don't have to actually be related). There is no income limit for a QC but there is an age limit, student status, a relationship test and residence test.

A child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” (QC) dependent, regardless of his/her income, if:

  1. He is under age 19, or under 24 if a full time student for at least 5 months of the year, or is totally & permanently disabled
  2. He did not provide more than 1/2 his own support. Scholarships are excluded from the support calculation
  3. He lived with the parent (including temporary absences such as away at school) for more than half the year

 

So, it doesn't matter how much he earned. What matters is how much he spent on support. Money he put into savings does not count as support he spent on him self.

The support value of the home, provided by the parent, is the fair market rental value of the home plus utilities & other expenses divided by the number of occupants.

The IRS has a worksheet that can be used to help with the support calculation. See: http://apps.irs.gov/app/vita/content/globalmedia/teacher/worksheet_for_determining_support_4012.pdf

 

See full dependent rules at: https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/Family/Rules-for-Claiming-a-Dependent-on-Your-Tax-Ret...

_____________________________________________________________________________________

 

You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

________________________________________________________________________________________

 

Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

 

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529 Plan 1099Q

Thanks for such a comprehensive response. Now I have to digest it all....but one more question. You mention Box 1 on 1099-Q and how turbotax treats it. When I originally entered the 1099-Q it put the earnings in Box 2 as income on the return which is what prompted me to ask. The distribution amount and the expense on the 1098-T were the same...he only had $200 more in expense for books. 

 

The other issue is Turbotax after going through the easy steps said I could not claim him as dependent. He earned too much and only a part time student. Which is correct? He lived at home 6 months out of 2021 due to COVID but attended school then did an internship last half of year in another state.  Confused about dependent or not? He was under 24 years of age in 2021. Should I enter info different in Turbotax? Need a bit more clarity. Thanks

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Hal_Al
Level 15

529 Plan 1099Q

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is matched to the expenses.  If there are not enough expenses, then a portion of box 2 (the earnings) , not box 1 becomes taxable.  The taxable portion is based on a ratio of expenses to distribution (the box 1 amount).  See example above. 

 

Since, the distribution amount and the expenses on the 1098-T were the same, none of the distribution is taxable....UNLESS, he wants to use some of the expenses to claim a tuition credit.  Room and board (even off campus, even at home) are qualified expenses for a 529 distribution.  So, student probably has enough expenses to claim a credit and keep the distribution earnings from being taxable.

 

Q. Turbotax  said I could not claim him as dependent. He earned too much and only a part time student. Which is correct? 

A. Both are correct.  The above answer states that the lack of an income test, for a Qualifying Child (QC), is based on the student being Full Time.  Since he is only a part time, he can't be a QC, over 18, then there is an income test (<$4300) to be a Qualifying Relative. 

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Hal_Al
Level 15

529 Plan 1099Q

Q. I have always claimed my child who is a college student under age 24 as a dependent. He did an internship and earned too much for me to claim him as a dependent.  Is that correct?

A. No.  It doe not matter how much a full time student, under 24 makes.  He can still be a dependent.  See below for details.

Q  On his return does he claim the 1099-Q?

A. Yes, but it may not need to be reported at all. See below.  Because all payments went directly to the University, he is considered the recipient.  If it needs to be reported, he reports it, not you.   If the distribution was fully covered by expenses, it does not need to be reported.

 

Q. - When he was on my return I don't recall having to report it?

A.  If the distribution was fully covered by expenses, it did not need to be reported.

 

Q- Would he qualify for the Lifetime Learning Credit (LLC)? Or is it because his expenses other than the $200 were covered he does not?

A. Yes and No.  You cannot not double dip. But you can allocate the expenses so that he claims  (you claim, if he is your dependent)  the tuition credit, by him  paying a little tax on the 529 distribution. See sample calculation below.  The more generous American Opportunity credit (AOTC) is available to undergrads. Grad students can only claim the LLC. 

___________________________________________________________________________________

There are two types of dependents, "Qualifying Children"(QC) and Other ("Qualifying Relative" in IRS parlance even though they don't have to actually be related). There is no income limit for a QC but there is an age limit, student status, a relationship test and residence test.

A child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” (QC) dependent, regardless of his/her income, if:

  1. He is under age 19, or under 24 if a full time student for at least 5 months of the year, or is totally & permanently disabled
  2. He did not provide more than 1/2 his own support. Scholarships are excluded from the support calculation
  3. He lived with the parent (including temporary absences such as away at school) for more than half the year

 

So, it doesn't matter how much he earned. What matters is how much he spent on support. Money he put into savings does not count as support he spent on him self.

The support value of the home, provided by the parent, is the fair market rental value of the home plus utilities & other expenses divided by the number of occupants.

The IRS has a worksheet that can be used to help with the support calculation. See: http://apps.irs.gov/app/vita/content/globalmedia/teacher/worksheet_for_determining_support_4012.pdf

 

See full dependent rules at: https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/Family/Rules-for-Claiming-a-Dependent-on-Your-Tax-Ret...

_____________________________________________________________________________________

 

You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

________________________________________________________________________________________

 

Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

 

529 Plan 1099Q

Thanks for such a comprehensive response. Now I have to digest it all....but one more question. You mention Box 1 on 1099-Q and how turbotax treats it. When I originally entered the 1099-Q it put the earnings in Box 2 as income on the return which is what prompted me to ask. The distribution amount and the expense on the 1098-T were the same...he only had $200 more in expense for books. 

 

The other issue is Turbotax after going through the easy steps said I could not claim him as dependent. He earned too much and only a part time student. Which is correct? He lived at home 6 months out of 2021 due to COVID but attended school then did an internship last half of year in another state.  Confused about dependent or not? He was under 24 years of age in 2021. Should I enter info different in Turbotax? Need a bit more clarity. Thanks

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 Plan 1099Q

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is matched to the expenses.  If there are not enough expenses, then a portion of box 2 (the earnings) , not box 1 becomes taxable.  The taxable portion is based on a ratio of expenses to distribution (the box 1 amount).  See example above. 

 

Since, the distribution amount and the expenses on the 1098-T were the same, none of the distribution is taxable....UNLESS, he wants to use some of the expenses to claim a tuition credit.  Room and board (even off campus, even at home) are qualified expenses for a 529 distribution.  So, student probably has enough expenses to claim a credit and keep the distribution earnings from being taxable.

 

Q. Turbotax  said I could not claim him as dependent. He earned too much and only a part time student. Which is correct? 

A. Both are correct.  The above answer states that the lack of an income test, for a Qualifying Child (QC), is based on the student being Full Time.  Since he is only a part time, he can't be a QC, over 18, then there is an income test (<$4300) to be a Qualifying Relative. 

529 Plan 1099Q

OK one last question on this topic.  Realized a different issues so need further clarification.

1) I was marking him as not a full time student which I think is incorrect. He is a graduate student and for his school they publish on their website that 2 courses per term is considered full time.

2) For the first half of the year through June 30th, he took two or more courses

3) Second half he reduced to one for internship

4) Turbotax states "full time means the number of courses or hours the SCHOOL considers to be full time attendance". 

 

I was wrongly thinking full time mean't all day school like undergrad school. Turbotax further states full time student during any "5 months of the year".

 

Am I correct that I can claim him as a full time student since he meets the schools definition of full time and it was longer than 5 months as stated by Turbotax?

 

All the support I receive here is great.....much appreciated. Thanks

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 Plan 1099Q

Q. Am I correct that I can claim him, as a dependent,  as a full time student since he meets the schools definition of full time and it was longer than 5 months as stated by Turbotax?

A. Yes.  But 2 courses being full time doesn't sound right.  But if that's what the schools says, then you're good to go. 

529 Plan 1099Q

Well running through the various tax options and doing a compare including my college student as a dependent or not, appears that if I exclude him there is only a minor adjustment to my refund. If he files non-dependent then he qualifies for the stimulus check for 2021 and gets a larger refund. Is there any rule that I have to claim him as a dependent?  I do support him (cell phone, medical insurance, car insurance, average living expenses) but he  has been doing an internship living in a company dormitory while attending his masters doing University education online.  I saw on the IRS.gov that online schools may not qualify?   If he files independent appears he would fair better on taxes.

 

Also when it asks on Turbo tax "Can someone else claim you" what does that mean exactly? Thanks

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 Plan 1099Q

Q.  Is there any rule that I have to claim him as a dependent?  

A.  No.  But, there is a rule that says he can't claim himself (and get the stimulus) if he qualifies as someone else's dependent.

Q. When it asks on Turbo tax "Can someone else claim you" what does that mean exactly? 

A. It means if he  meets the rules* for being claimed as a dependent, he cannot claim himself, even if nobody else actually claims him. 

 

Q. I saw on the IRS.gov that online schools may not qualify?

A.  Schools that are only online do not qualify.  But online courses from a "regular brick & mortar" school does count.  

 

*There are two types of dependents, "Qualifying Children"(QC) and Other ("Qualifying Relative" in IRS parlance even though they don't have to actually be related). There is no income limit for a QC but there is an age limit, student status, a relationship test and residence test.

A child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” (QC) dependent, regardless of his/her income, if:

  1. He is under age 19, or under 24 if a full time student for at least 5 months of the year, or is totally & permanently disabled
  2. He did not provide more than 1/2 his own support. Scholarships are excluded from the support calculation
  3. He lived with the parent (including temporary absences such as away at school) for more than half the year

So, it doesn't matter how much he earned. What matters is how much he spent on support. Money he put into savings does not count as support he spent on him self.

The support value of the home, provided by the parent, is the fair market rental value of the home plus utilities & other expenses divided by the number of occupants.

The IRS has a worksheet that can be used to help with the support calculation. See: http://apps.irs.gov/app/vita/content/globalmedia/teacher/worksheet_for_determining_support_4012.pdf

 

See full dependent rules at: https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/tax-tips/Family/Rules-for-Claiming-a-Dependent-on-Your-Tax-Ret...

529 Plan 1099Q

So after reviewing and because we supported him all 2021 (whether he was living at home and during his internship), I'm back to him as a dependent on the return. I read your note about the 1098-T to go on parents return but the 1099-Q on his return. What happens when despite adding the expenses and1098-T on the parents return we are phased out due to income and nothing gets reported for education expenses, credits or eligibility for  Lifetime learning credit? Does that cause an issue on his return if he is reporting 1099-Q? Thanks again.

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 Plan 1099Q

Q.  What happens when despite adding the expenses and1098-T on the parents return we are phased out due to income and nothing gets reported for education expenses, credits or eligibility for  Lifetime learning credit? Does that cause an issue on his return if he is reporting 1099-Q? 

A.  No.  Since no expenses are being used for either the American Opportunity Credit or the  Lifetime learning credit, there are more expenses available for the 1099-Q.  So, it's even less likely the 529 distribution is taxable. And, if it is, the taxable amount will be even smaller.

529 Plan 1099Q

Am I right to assume that if he doesn't report the 1099-Q because the IRS gets the 1098-T and the 1099-Q and the distribution on 1099-Q matches the amount of tuition on 1098-T that he could just not report at all? Thanks much...YOu have been a tremendous resource and help.

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 Plan 1099Q

Q.  Am I right to assume that  he could just not report at all? 

A.  Yes.  But not exactly for the reasons you mention.  It's because not entering it in TT and entering it in TT, correctly,  have the same result: nothing is reported about the 1098-T and 1099-Q on the IRS forms.  The IRS computers do not watch your  Ts and Qs. 

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