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2019 - 1099Q Why does it show $0

So just got a letter from the IRS and is going back to 2019.  I thought I entered all the info correctly yet form 1099-Q shows a Distribution included in income as $0.00. The IRS caight this and now i have to pay tax and penalties. I thought I entered it all correctly. Is there a turbo tax bug?

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2019 - 1099Q Why does it show $0

Q. I thought I entered it all correctly. Is there a turbo tax bug?

A. There is no actual "bug". But, the interview is  complicated because it has to handle multiple scenarios and mistakes will be made.  The usual problem, with TT, is the opposite of yours.  It calculates taxable income when it shouldn't.

 

Your first question should not be  about TT, but about the IRS.  Are they right? We have seen multiple posts here about IRS 1099-Q letters and in every case (including me personally) the IRS has been wrong. 

At least two users have reported receiving a CP2000 letter, from the IRS,  on 529 distributions. They replied that their child was in college and the distributions were for qualified expenses, which they listed, but they did not provide receipts.. They  later received a notices saying they were in the clear.  In my case I just sent a copy of the school's invoice.  90%+ of people with a 1099-Q do not have any taxable income.  And the ones who do know it at the time they prepare their tax return and are looking for the right output from TT.

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General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

 

2019 - 1099Q Why does it show $0

IRS letter. This is a user to user forum. You can probably get help from this forum by providing more detail on what the IRS notice says.

If you purchased Audit Defense for your tax return, call Tax Resources, Inc. at 877-829-9695, or report your notice on their web site at http://intuit.taxaudit.com/. Do not contact the IRS. Let Tax Resources contact them for you.

If you did not purchase Audit Defense, start by downloading and running the Audit Support Center at the following link.

https://turbotax.intuit.com/best-tax-software/why-choose-turbotax/audit-support.jsp

 (scroll down for more options)

See this TurboTax support FAQ for a list of Letters and Notices from the IRS - https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/3605673-i-got-a-letter-or-notice-from-the-irs

 

For assistance in understanding the letter or notice you received from the IRS use the TurboTax Audit Support Center - https://support.turbotax.intuit.com/irs-notice/audit-support/

 

 

Also see the following link on the IRS web site for more help.

http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/Understanding-Your-IRS-Notice-or-Letter

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