turbotax icon
cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 
Announcements
Close icon
Do you have a TurboTax Online account?

We'll help you get started or pick up where you left off.

Raj1
Level 3

W4 Witholding Living Overseas

I live overseas and need to file a W4 for my new employer.

 

I have 3 dependents over the age of 17, one dependent will be going to college this year. My spouse is not employed.

 

I prefer to not have any taxes with held from my pay, please advise do I need to enter any numbers in section 3 or 4?

 

Thanks

x
Do you have an Intuit account?

Do you have an Intuit account?

You'll need to sign in or create an account to connect with an expert.

1 Best answer

Accepted Solutions
pk
Level 15
Level 15

W4 Witholding Living Overseas

@Raj1 

Thank you for your answers to my question(s).

1.  Generally , if your tax home is abroad  ( i.e. you live and work abroad ), then your earnings in that country , even if paid by a US entity  ( other than US govt. or any of its subsidiaries / departments etc. ) are considered foreign earnings  ( sourced to the country wherein the work was done/ tax home ).

2. As a US person  ( citizen / GreenCard / Resident) you are still taxed  by the US on your world income and you still need to participate / contribute to FICA  ( the extent however depends on whether the  tax-home country  has a totalization agreement  with the USA or not.

3. If one is to assume that you are employed by US govt (/ subsidiaries etc. ) or you are abroad ONLY for a short period  ( i.e. you would not be eligible for foreign earned income exclusion / foreign tax credit / deduction etc.  etc. , tax home is still USA ) then the best federal tax withholding estimator  is  --->

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-withholding-estimator

Note that in this case  the employer is still assumed to be participating in shared  FICA contribution and you still have to take care of / declare  State withholding just as if you were in the USA.

4. More common case is where the employee is assigned to a local  subsidiary / entity of the  US entity and your tax home is foreign  because you will stay abroad long enough to qualify  for foreign tax home, foreign earned income exclusion / foreign tax credit/ deduction etc. etc.  and may or may not have State taxes to contend with . In such a case , my suggestion  would be to use  your current  W-4 as the best effort ( I recognize that  your gross income would change quite a bit  from what you were recognizing  while in the USA because of the things that your employer would pay while you are abroad.  I have been there  and I know from personal experience  because of the Hypo computations that they go through  -- they are trying to make you not to penalized because of foreign assignment plus give some more .  I am assuming here that 2023 is your first year of foreign assignment -- it is kind of messy but in the end  it all works out.

5. To your specific questions about  which areas to fill  -- the  withholding estimator should help in this . You can also see the  W-4 and its instructions  here --- > https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4.pdf 

If this information is not sufficient to clear up your doubts/issues, please   can you tell me more about the following -- (a) which country are you located - tax home;  (b) when did you arrive there  and how long do you expect to be there ; (c) are you a remote worker for a US entity -- perhaps whom used to work in the USA bit have moved  abroad but continues to provide services to the US employer; (d) do you have other significant financial connections to USA -- own home ( which state ), bank accounts, investment props ( which state ) etc. etc.

Please if you can answer my questions , I would appreciate that

 

Namaste

 

pk

View solution in original post

6 Replies

W4 Witholding Living Overseas

I will page @pk. Check back.

JohnB5677
Employee Tax Expert

W4 Witholding Living Overseas

As a US citizen earning income in a foreign country you are still required to pay income taxes in the United States.  My recommendation is to fill the W-4 correctly and have taxes taken out.  However,  If it is your decision to not have taxes withheld, I suggest that you enter a number on step 4(b) [Deductions] That is equal to your expected income for the year.

**Say "Thanks" by clicking the thumb icon in a post
**Mark the post that answers your question by clicking on "Mark as Best Answer"
pk
Level 15
Level 15

W4 Witholding Living Overseas

@Raj1 ,  I am confused as to need for W-4 when you are abroad --

1. Are you and your family are US persons ( citizen/ GreenCard or what ) ?

2. Where are  you now earnings and living -- country ?

3 Your employer is a local entity / US entity / US govt. or what ?

4. or are you saying you are abroad but your family is in the USA ?

 

I will circle back once I hear from you

 

Namaste

 

pk

Raj1
Level 3

W4 Witholding Living Overseas

@pk 

1- I am a US citizen

2 - Earning and living overseas

3- Employer is US Entity

4 - Me and family are overseas

Raj1
Level 3

W4 Witholding Living Overseas

Thanks for the reply.

 

Do I need to put an amount under section 3 for dependents or only under section 4b?

pk
Level 15
Level 15

W4 Witholding Living Overseas

@Raj1 

Thank you for your answers to my question(s).

1.  Generally , if your tax home is abroad  ( i.e. you live and work abroad ), then your earnings in that country , even if paid by a US entity  ( other than US govt. or any of its subsidiaries / departments etc. ) are considered foreign earnings  ( sourced to the country wherein the work was done/ tax home ).

2. As a US person  ( citizen / GreenCard / Resident) you are still taxed  by the US on your world income and you still need to participate / contribute to FICA  ( the extent however depends on whether the  tax-home country  has a totalization agreement  with the USA or not.

3. If one is to assume that you are employed by US govt (/ subsidiaries etc. ) or you are abroad ONLY for a short period  ( i.e. you would not be eligible for foreign earned income exclusion / foreign tax credit / deduction etc.  etc. , tax home is still USA ) then the best federal tax withholding estimator  is  --->

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/tax-withholding-estimator

Note that in this case  the employer is still assumed to be participating in shared  FICA contribution and you still have to take care of / declare  State withholding just as if you were in the USA.

4. More common case is where the employee is assigned to a local  subsidiary / entity of the  US entity and your tax home is foreign  because you will stay abroad long enough to qualify  for foreign tax home, foreign earned income exclusion / foreign tax credit/ deduction etc. etc.  and may or may not have State taxes to contend with . In such a case , my suggestion  would be to use  your current  W-4 as the best effort ( I recognize that  your gross income would change quite a bit  from what you were recognizing  while in the USA because of the things that your employer would pay while you are abroad.  I have been there  and I know from personal experience  because of the Hypo computations that they go through  -- they are trying to make you not to penalized because of foreign assignment plus give some more .  I am assuming here that 2023 is your first year of foreign assignment -- it is kind of messy but in the end  it all works out.

5. To your specific questions about  which areas to fill  -- the  withholding estimator should help in this . You can also see the  W-4 and its instructions  here --- > https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw4.pdf 

If this information is not sufficient to clear up your doubts/issues, please   can you tell me more about the following -- (a) which country are you located - tax home;  (b) when did you arrive there  and how long do you expect to be there ; (c) are you a remote worker for a US entity -- perhaps whom used to work in the USA bit have moved  abroad but continues to provide services to the US employer; (d) do you have other significant financial connections to USA -- own home ( which state ), bank accounts, investment props ( which state ) etc. etc.

Please if you can answer my questions , I would appreciate that

 

Namaste

 

pk

Unlock tailored help options in your account.

message box icon

Get more help

Ask questions and learn more about your taxes and finances.

Post your Question