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I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

Last week I spoke (chatted) with a TurboTax CPA about this issue. She consulted a programmer, then told me that the program was using the wrong tax tables (2017 perhaps).  Any idea when this will be corrected?

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I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

There will be many program updates to come.  Probably not until late January.
Carl
Level 15

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

The 2018 version is still a work in progress. Basically, TurboTax is waiting on the IRS to give final approval on a "LOT" of the 2018 forms still. Until then, all the programmers can do is twiddle their thumbs.

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

I sure hope these tables are wrong or I owe A LOT of money.

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

This is a month old post and all current TurboTax tax tables and calculations are accurate.
**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
patrickbennett
Returning Member

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

Actually, as of 2/2/2019, it's still using 2017 tables.  Federal Refund change for additions to 1099-INT show difference being taxed at 2017 bracket, not 2018 bracket.
dmertz
Level 15

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

patrickbennett, TurboTax is using all of the proper tax brackets.  Marginal tax rate (the change in tax divided by the change in income) is what you are calculating and is *not* necessarily the same as your tax bracket due to side effects of changing your AGI.  Changing your AGI can change the amount of taxable Social Security income, the tax rate applied to long-term capital gains and many other things.
patrickbennett
Returning Member

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

Nope, wrong brackets - I can make tiny changes having direct and obvious calculable differences.  For sake of example, if my refund is currently $100 and I enter $100 in 1099 INT, then my refund drops to $72.   Subtract that out and it's 28% which is the old bracket.  It should be 0.24.  For MFJ, it's .24 then jumps to .32 - I'm nowhere near hitting beginning of .32 (I'm familiar with marginal taxes).  Every additional (regular income) dollar should be all .24.
If you look there are a fair number of threads about people noticing the same thing.
patrickbennett
Returning Member

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

Nope, wrong brackets - I can make tiny changes having direct and obvious calculable differences.  For sake of example, if my refund is currently $100 and I enter $100 in 1099 INT, then my refund drops to $72.   Subtract that out and it's 28% which is the old bracket.  It should be 0.24.  For MFJ, it's .24 then jumps to .32 - I'm nowhere near hitting beginning of .32 (I'm familiar with marginal taxes).  Every additional (regular income) dollar should be all .24.
If you look there are a fair number of threads about people noticing the same thing.
dmertz
Level 15

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

patrickbennet, your method is likely flawed.  You must test with a tax return that has nothing but ordinary income (no capital gains or dividends, no Social Security income, no tax credits, no itemized deductions that might be subject to phase-out).  If you test with a tax return that has *only* 1099-INT income and test with increments of a multiple of $100, you'll see that the calculated marginal tax rate matches that of the 2018 tax bracket into which the marginal income falls.  This is what I see when I test using the appropriate method.

Others saying that they are seeing the wrong tax rate are almost certainly using similarly flawed methods.  These questions are asked every year.  It's just that this year there has been a change in the tax brackets, so it's easy to assume that one is seeing evidence of a failure to change to the new tax rates when that's really not the case.

Examine your tax return to see if the additional $100 of 1099-INT income is resulting in something other than a $100 increment in taxable income.  Examine your tax return to see if your tax is being calculated using a method other than tax tables, such a the Schedule D Tax Worksheet or the Qualified Dividends and Capital Gain Tax Worksheet.  Examine your tax return to see if tax credits are being affected by the additional income.

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

This would be so much easier to see if you used the downloaded version where you can switch to the FORMS mode at will ... but in the Online version you need to keep saving a PDF ...

You can peek at only  the Federal form 1040 and the summary of the state info by going here:

1) lower- Left side of the screen...click to the left side of the "Tax Tools" text selection.
2)  then select "Tools"
3) then select "View Tax Summary" from the pop-up
4) then back to the left-side and "Preview 1040"

Then hit the "Back" on the left side to get back to your tax entries.
To view your entire return using the online editions (including the state) before you file, you will need to pay for your online account.
To pay the TurboTax online account fees by credit card, without completing the 2017 return at this time, click on Tax Tools >>> Tools  and then Print Center.  Then click on Print, save or preview this year's return.  On the next page, to pay by credit card, click Continue.  On the next screen it will ask if you want Audit Defense, if you do not want this option just click on the Continue button.  The next screen will ask for all your credit card information so you can pay for the account.

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

I have a good sentence from an employee a long time ago......
When you enter one taxable transaction, you can't just watch the monitor.  You increased your overall adjusted gross income and with that come many other changes in your return, not just the incremental tax on the one transaction. Like for example it increased your AGI and that would decrease some deductions if you itemized on Schedule A.  And by increasing your AGI it might reduce some credits you were getting like EIC.

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

 

The IRS has not yet announced when they will begin to accept 2018 tax returns.  Last year they began accepting 2017 returns on January 29.  With all of the new tax laws and changes to the tax forms, tax software, etc. it is unlikely to be earlier than that, and probably later.  They do not yet even have all of the forms ready; some state forms are not expected to be ready until March.  Trying to file too early is not advisable at all.  And if you are in a hurry because you are expecting earned income credit or child tax credit, remember that they will not release refunds before mid-February at the earliest for people who are seeking those child-related credits.

“The IRS reminds taxpayers that, by law, the IRS cannot issue refunds claiming the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) before mid-February. While the IRS will process those returns when received, it cannot issue related refunds before mid-February. .."

https://ttlc.intuit.com/replies/7047675

A date has not yet been set. It is unlikely the IRS will begin accepting efiled returns until the end of January. TurboTax usually starts accepting returns earlier but they just hold them until the IRS begins accepting them. Once you submit a return to TurboTax for efiling, you can't make any changes to it. If you are an employee who gets a W-2, employers are not required to send them until the end of January. You should not prepare and file a tax return until you have your W-2. With all the tax changes implemented for 2018 tax year, many are recommending that you not efile your return until at least mid February. 

https://ttlc.intuit.com/replies/7047669

 

When can I file for 2018? 

The online software is not yet available for a 2018 return, no date has been set yet but usually early December is when it opens.  And the Downloaded versions usually come out in mid to late November BUT these are only beta versions and are not fully operational until sometime mid to late January and some forms & state programs are not ready until sometime in February.   

Due to the massive tax reform expect things to be delayed this year but when the program is operational it will have incorporated ALL the changes. 

Everyone should be wary of filing too early this year as the system will be quite buggy for a while.  Last time there were massive late changes some folks who filed early in January got "stuck or lost" in the IRS system for months so patience will need to be exercised this year for sure. 

 

Do not try to prepare your return using your pay stub.  The information on your pay stub will not match the W-2 that will be sent by your employers to the IRS.  Employers, banks, Social Security, etc. have until the end of January/early February 2019 to provide you with the documents you will need to enter on your 2018 tax return.  Most brokers have until late February or mid March to issue final 1099 forms. And if you need a K-1 those can be out as late as mid September … so you should always wait for all your tax forms to come in before you file. Trying to file early and then ending up having to amend because you used incorrect/incomplete information is counter-productive.  If your return is incorrect, and you have to amend it, it will take months for the IRS to process your amended return.

 

The IRS will not be accepting returns until an as yet undetermined date in January.  They will not begin issuing refunds until at least mid-February... late February if you have any EIC or ACTC like the past couple of years. 

 

 


I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

Thanks for your response; however, my intent is not to file early, but to do some end-of-year tax planning and take (or not take) certain actions such as withdraw more funds from my retirement account before December 31.   The information that the TurboTax CPA help person gave me was that TurboTax Deluxe 2018 was using the wrong tax tables and therefore the program would be making incorrect 2018 tax calculations.  Those tax tables have been available for months.

Intuit did not make clear that TurboTax 2018 was currently useless when I made my purchase.  Leaves a bad taste...

I calculated my 2018 taxes using TurboTax Deluxe 2018. Tax History Report: tax bracket 25% (NOT IRS 2018 tax bracket). A TTx CPA: TTx had wrong tax table. When is fix?

I have made several test returns using the 2018 program and the correct 2018 tax tables are being used even though the summary table shows a 25% tax bracket which is incorrect. However, just because the correct tax tables are being used doesn't mean that all entries will result in the correct tax being calculated since several parts of the program are not yet complete. You can use Taxcaster for making 2018 estimates: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/">https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/</a>

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