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toddcolyer
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1099R Roth over the limit returned is being taxed?

My company failed their 401K audit and those of us that are "Highly Compensated Employees" are limited by a maximum percentage of the total that can be contributed to our 401K accounts. So the amount over the allowable amount in our company was returned. I did not exceed the limit according to the rules of total amount one can contribute, including the catchup, I am limited by the rules of HCE cannot exceed a % of total.

 

I am contributing 100% as Roth while my company's match is pre-tax. The amount of the over the limit that has been returned to me (box 1 Gross Distribution) is $7645. Box 2a is blank, box 2b Taxable amount not determined, is checked. Box 4 Federal Income tax withheld is $92.41. box 5 Roth contributions is $6,721. Box 7 distribution code is 8B, 8 is "return of contribution taxable in 2024 and B is Designated Roth account distribution.

 

My issue when I put in the $7645, my tax owed goes up as if the whole amount is being taxed. It doesn't consider that I already paid tax on the $6721 I contributed after tax that is being returned. Did my 401K provider fill something out incorrectly or is TT not working correctly or do I not understand the tax rules?

 

When Roth contributions are returned, should I be taxed on them? If I took a distribution from my Roth account, I wouldn't be taxed would I? I'm 62 years old and have had my Roth for more than 5 years.

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dmertz
Level 15

1099R Roth over the limit returned is being taxed?

It seems that the plan failed to prepare the Form 1099-R correctly despite actually knowing the taxable amount.  (Box 2b Taxable amount not determined is for indicating that the plan does not have the necessary details to do the calculation, not that they are ignorant of how to prepare form 1099-R.)

 

In this case, they should have entered in box 2a the difference between the amounts in boxes 1 and 5 and not marked Box 2b Taxable amount not determined.  Clearly, if they were able to calculate the 10% default withholding of $92.41 on the taxable amount, they knew that the taxable amount was $924.10 (give or take a few cents) and should have put that number in box 2a.  IF you enter it in box 2a, TurboTax will include only the $924.10 on line 5b of Form 1099-R.  The entire gross amount will be on line 5a.

toddcolyer
Returning Member

1099R Roth over the limit returned is being taxed?

Thank you for your response. That's what I suspect as well. I am going to contact my plan to follow up with this and see if they will generate another 1099-R or explain why they filled it out the way they did. My concern is that I would also be taxed on the gain on that Roth amount that is over.

 

If anyone else has more information about this, I would appreciate your feedback. Thank you!

dmertz
Level 15

1099R Roth over the limit returned is being taxed?

If the plan is uncooperative, you can just enter the correct taxable amount in box 2a.

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