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1st contribution - $7000 in May 2021( before 2020 file day), converted to Roth IRA, for 2020, but forgot submit 8606.
2nd contribution - $7000 in June 2021, converted to Roth IRA, for 2021
1099 R shows 14000 distribution, without separating the two parts, resulting 2021 over contribution alert when I went through TT interview
1099R box 7 code is 7- normal distribution, should half of it be code R - 2020 distribution recharacterized in 2021? but TT and 1099 both treat it only one lump sum number for ALL 2020 contribution,
how can I get this fixed?
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@dsyhome0510 wrote:
1st contribution - $7000 in May 2021( before 2020 file day), converted to Roth IRA, for 2020, but forgot submit 8606.
2nd contribution - $7000 in June 2021, converted to Roth IRA, for 2021
1099 R shows 14000 distribution, without separating the two parts, resulting 2021 over contribution alert when I went through TT interview
1099R box 7 code is 7- normal distribution, should half of it be code R - 2020 distribution recharacterized in 2021? but TT and 1099 both treat it only one lump sum number for ALL 2020 contribution,
how can I get this fixed?
You do not enter a contribution that was *for* 2020 on the 2021 tax return, It must be entered on your 2020 or amended 2020 tax return if not entered on the 2020 return. You must also make sure that it was non-deductible to generate a 2020 8606 form.
A conversion to a Roth is NOT a recharacterization.
Here is how to enter a "backdoor Roth".
The "Backdoor Roth" does not exist in tax law. It is a procedure used by some to take advantage of a quirk in tax law that allows making a non-deductible contribution to a Traditional IRA when one cannot contribute to a Roth IRA, and the immediately converting the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA, thereby getting the money into the Roth via "backdoor" tax free. [Congress has been talking about changing the tax law to prohibit this but has not yet done so.]
That "procedure" can only work of all these requirements are met:
1) No Traditional IRA account whatsoever can exist (that includes any SEP or SIMPLE IRA accounts) at the start. If existing IRA's contain any before-tax money or earnings then it will be partly taxable.
2) The Tradition IRA contributions must be reported on a 8606 form as non-deductible.
3) The conversion to a ROTH must be shortly after the contribution to avoid taxable gains.
4) The entire Traditional IRA value must be zero that the end of the year of conversion.
Otherwise the conversion will be partly taxable.
First you must enter your Traditional IRA contributions (if there were 2021 contributions).
IRA contribution
Federal Taxes,
Deductions & Credits,
I’ll choose what I work on (if that screen comes up),,
Retirement & Investments,
Traditional & Roth IRA contribution.
Be SURE to answer the follow up that the are choosing to make this contribution NON-DEDUCTIBLE - if that screen comes up. (DO NOT say that you moved (recharacterized) the money to a Roth) – this is a conversion, not a recharactorazition.
Then enter the 1099-R that shows the distribution.
Federal Taxes,
Wages & Income
I’ll choose what I work on (if that screen comes up),,
Retirement Plans & Social Security,
IRA, 401(k), Pension Plan Withdrawals (1099-R).
Answer the follow-up questions answer the question that you moved the money to another retirement. The screen will open up with choices of where it was moved. Choose you converted it to Roth IRA.
When asked if you have made any non-deductible contributions say " "yes" if you did then enter the non-deductible contributions made for tax years before 2021. (Usually zero unless you also made a 2020 or earlier non-deductible contribution. If you do have prior year basis then enter the last filed 8606 line 14 value.).
Enter the 2021 year end value of your Traditional IRA a "0" (zero) - if it is in fact zero - this tax free Roth conversion will not work if it is not zero.
[If you had any other Traditional IRA at the end of 2021, then the nondeductible "basis" must be pro-rated over the current distribution and the total IRA value and only a portion of the Roth conversion will be non taxable and part will be taxable, with the remaining non-deductible basis carrying forward for future distributions. You can never only withdrew the nondeductible basis as long as the IRA exists and has a value more than zero.]
The non-deductible amount of your contribution will be subtracted from the taxable amount of the conversion on then 8606 form and enter on line 4a of them 1040 form and a zero taxable amount on line 4b if you did it right.
Also see this TurboTax FAQ:
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/4350747-how-do-i-enter-a-backdoor-roth-ira-conversion
answer was:
"You do not enter a contribution that was *for* 2020 on the 2021 tax return, It must be entered on your 2020 or amended 2020 tax return if not entered on the 2020 return. You must also make sure that it was non-deductible to generate a 2020 8606 form"
my question remains: HOW CAN I COMPLETE TT2021 FILING? amended 2020 8606 (paper submission?) does not automatically referred by TT2021.
We generally agree with the prior post about the need to reflect on your 2020 tax return the back-door Roth contribution you designated for that year which you effected during the 2021 calendar year. Your 1099-R appears to reflect calendar year distributions as opposed to the specific tax years at issue.
Do not include with your 2021 tax return any documents (amended or otherwise) that relate to your 2020 tax return. If you need to amend your 2020 tax return, and it appears that you do, and for tax year 2020 you used TurboTax online, then you can amend your 2020 return by logging into your account, and from the Tax Home page, scroll down the page to Your tax returns & documents. Select 2020, then select Amend (change) 2020 return. Respond accordingly to the questions as they appear.
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