I am using TT Business for our LLC. We have vehicle expenses for which we REIMBURSE our members, but some that we pay DIRECTLY. In TT Business under Vehicle Expenses, it only asks for expenses for which we reimbursed. Where do I put the expenses we paid directly?
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Federal Taxes>>Deductions>>Auto and truck expenses (under the Business Expenses section)
Vehicle expenses for whom?
If the LLC owns a vehicle, that's fine. The expenses are ordinary business expenses.
However, if you are reimbursing members for the personal use of their vehicles, and also paying some of their expenses directly (paying direct expenses for vehicles owned by members) you may be creating problems for yourself and some of those payments may be taxable income to the members. Can you provide more details?
In the past, the LLC fully reimbursed. As such, the members then included that on their personal income tax under their vehicle expense, showing the reimbursement. So, it reduced what they could deduct on their vehicle. My thought is that I just place the unreimbursed expenses under other expenses on the business return, but just wanted to be sure that's where I should put it.
I'm not following, so I think it would help to review the rules.
The business can reimburse members under an accountable plan, or a non-accountable plan. This is covered in IRS publication 463, but basically, an acceptable plan requires that the business keep reliable and timely records of the business expenses and only reimburse expenses that are adequately proven. (I'll discuss the records required in a minute.)
https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-publication-463
If the LLC does not have an accountable expense plan, all reimbursements are taxable income, no exceptions. The member may or may not be able to deduct them on their personal tax return.
If you have an accountable plan, expense reimbursements are non-taxable and are not reported on a W-2, 1099 or K-1, assuming you follow the rules and don't reimburse more than is allowed.
For vehicle expenses, you and the members have the option of using the standard mileage method or the actual expense method. With the standard mileage method, the member keeps a diary or logbook showing the date, time, business purpose of the trip, and the mileage driven. They can be reimbursed up to 64.5 cents per mile tax-free. The LLC is allowed to reimburse less, but if it reimburses more than the IRS rate, the difference is taxable income. The standard mileage rate includes allowances for fuel, insurance, maintenance, wear and tear, and repairs. The only thing not covered by the standard mileage rate is parking and tolls.
With the actual expense method, the member must keep track of all their vehicle mileage, and all their expenses (fuel, maintenance, insurance, repairs, and depreciation). They can be reimbursed on a percentage basis. For example, if 30% of their mileage is for business, they can be reimbursed tax-free for 30% of the total vehicle expenses that they can prove. Remember with an accountable plan, if the expense can't be proved, it can't be reimbursed tax-free.
What this means is that, if a member chooses the standard mileage rate, and provides the LLC with a mileage diary showing their business travel, the LLC can reimburse them tax-free. If the LLC also provides a gas credit card to buy gas, or if the LLC pays for repairs, that must be reported as taxable income, because it is more than allowed under the standard mileage rate. Or, suppose the member chooses the actual expense method, and submits a mileage diary that 30% of their car miles are for business. If the business direct pays 100% of the cost for a repair, or gives the member a gas credit card, etc., then 70% of the cost must be included in taxable income, because it is more than the amount of expense allowed under the accountable plan. And if the LLC does not ask for and keep the required proof, then all reimbursements AND all direct pays are considered taxable income to the member.
Key point: If you are paying directly for repairs on a car not owned by the LLC, and don't have an accountable plan, that is still taxable income to the member, employee or contractor and must be reported as such on their W-2, 1099 or K-1.
In general, it is usually better for the member's finances and taxes to be reimbursed tax-free under an accountable plan, but this does make more work for the LLC.
Hope this is clear.
Great explanation except for one thing….Where does it state in the tax code that it depends on if the vehicle is owned by the LLC (s-corp), C-Corp etc…? I ask this as I worked for a very large corp chain for 20 years. These were leased vehicles. With these vehicles we had to do 3 things each month. Log the starting odometer. The ending odometer. And the amount of personal mileage we drove. Nobody has a log each trip each day lol.
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Great explanation except for one thing….Where does it state in the tax code that it depends on if the vehicle is owned by the LLC (s-corp), C-Corp etc…? I ask this as I worked for a very large corp chain for 20 years. These were leased vehicles. With these vehicles we had to do 3 things each month. Log the starting odometer. The ending odometer. And the amount of personal mileage we drove. Nobody has a log each trip each day lol.
In the situation you describe, driving a company-provided car for personal use (owned or leased doesn't matter) is taxable income to the employee. The employer is supposed to add the value of your personal miles to your income and deduct social security and medicare tax, and include the value of the car on employee W-2s. If the company were audited, they have to prove that their method of determining the taxable portion of company car use is accurate and reliable. I don't know what the IRS audit manual says on the topic, but it seems from your story that either the company was never audited, or a monthly self-report was considered reliable.
Appreciate the follow up! Great topic. So this Fortune 300 public company, has over 500 company owned/leased vehicles. And you are correct, in that each month after we inputted our starting and ending odometer and then our personal miles. Then on our pay statement there was a line for auto income. And if would have 200 personal miles for the month I would see $100 added to my gross wage, (it was .50 then) I wouldn’t actually receive a $100, I would justvbe getting taxed on it,.,,
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