I have 2 1099s, one with ric, and the other with 8 individual countries. when I follow the directions to enter the single country 1099 it works fine. however when I try to enter multiple countries for the other 1099, it only takes one of the countries. if I try to add another country the 1099 doesnt show up any more for the second pass so I cant assign it to a 1099.
I have read the instructions, and entered the largest one first, but after that I can only enter one country on the second 1099. can someone give a step by step that actually works?
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A significant shortcoming of TT is that if you have to fill out Form 1116, it can support only one country per Payer. In the past, if there were more countries than Payers, using “Various” was the technique used to restore the 1 to 1 country/payer ratio. The following technique restores this 1 to 1 ratio by creating additional payers to equal the number of countries.
This addresses the issue of a 1099-DIV with Box 7 showing foreign tax paid to multiple foreign countries and it is necessary to identify and list the countries individually on Form 1116. This is done by utilizing Dummy 1099-DIV's as illustrated by the following example.
We have a 1099-DIV with Box 7 displaying the total tax paid to 3 foreign countries we will call “A”, “B”, and “C”.
From the broker’s supplemental information, extract the foreign-source income amount in box 1a from “B” and “C” and combine them. .
Navigate to the “Here’s the dividend info we have so far” screen displaying the name of the Payer. This will be our Main Screen. Bring the Payer up in EDIT mode. Subtract the sum of B and C from the amount in box 1a and insert the remainder into box 1a. In box 7, replace the amount with the foreign tax paid to country “A”. Click to return to the Main Screen.
Click on the New Payer button. We will name this Payer “Dummy1”. In Box 1a, insert the foreign income from country “B”.. In Box 7, enter the tax paid to “B”. Leave the remaining boxes blank. Click “Continue” back to the Main Screen.
Again open up a New Payer. We will name this “Dummy2”. In box 1a, Insert the foreign income from “C”. In Box 7 the tax paid to “C”. Leave the remaining boxes blank. Click “Continue” back to the Main Screen.
Now when we go to the Foreign Tax Credit Interview Section, we are positioned to enter all the necessary data for each country individually.
Now we consider countries “D”, “E”, “F” etc.
When multiple copies of form 1116 are needed, they have to be created in the right order.
Using TT’s special instructions as a guideline, the following strategy is suggested. Assign to “A” the largest tax paid, then to “B” the 2nd largest and so on through to “F”. Then when we enter the Foreign Tax Credit Interview Section, we run them through in the same order; greatest to the least.
You may find on part 2 of Form 1116, it is necessary to type in the date for the fictitious Payers which will be the same as the actual Payer, usually 12/31/2019..
You may find it convenient to assign each fictitious payer the same name as the country it represents. This will facilitate matching countries and payers in the FTC section.
In your case, since you have 2 1099's, you will need 7 fictitious 1099's for 9 countries.
A significant shortcoming of TT is that if you have to fill out Form 1116, it can support only one country per Payer. In the past, if there were more countries than Payers, using “Various” was the technique used to restore the 1 to 1 country/payer ratio. The following technique restores this 1 to 1 ratio by creating additional payers to equal the number of countries.
This addresses the issue of a 1099-DIV with Box 7 showing foreign tax paid to multiple foreign countries and it is necessary to identify and list the countries individually on Form 1116. This is done by utilizing Dummy 1099-DIV's as illustrated by the following example.
We have a 1099-DIV with Box 7 displaying the total tax paid to 3 foreign countries we will call “A”, “B”, and “C”.
From the broker’s supplemental information, extract the foreign-source income amount in box 1a from “B” and “C” and combine them. .
Navigate to the “Here’s the dividend info we have so far” screen displaying the name of the Payer. This will be our Main Screen. Bring the Payer up in EDIT mode. Subtract the sum of B and C from the amount in box 1a and insert the remainder into box 1a. In box 7, replace the amount with the foreign tax paid to country “A”. Click to return to the Main Screen.
Click on the New Payer button. We will name this Payer “Dummy1”. In Box 1a, insert the foreign income from country “B”.. In Box 7, enter the tax paid to “B”. Leave the remaining boxes blank. Click “Continue” back to the Main Screen.
Again open up a New Payer. We will name this “Dummy2”. In box 1a, Insert the foreign income from “C”. In Box 7 the tax paid to “C”. Leave the remaining boxes blank. Click “Continue” back to the Main Screen.
Now when we go to the Foreign Tax Credit Interview Section, we are positioned to enter all the necessary data for each country individually.
Now we consider countries “D”, “E”, “F” etc.
When multiple copies of form 1116 are needed, they have to be created in the right order.
Using TT’s special instructions as a guideline, the following strategy is suggested. Assign to “A” the largest tax paid, then to “B” the 2nd largest and so on through to “F”. Then when we enter the Foreign Tax Credit Interview Section, we run them through in the same order; greatest to the least.
You may find on part 2 of Form 1116, it is necessary to type in the date for the fictitious Payers which will be the same as the actual Payer, usually 12/31/2019..
You may find it convenient to assign each fictitious payer the same name as the country it represents. This will facilitate matching countries and payers in the FTC section.
In your case, since you have 2 1099's, you will need 7 fictitious 1099's for 9 countries.
Come on Turbo TAX. You can do better than this.
A clumsy workaround for a TT deficiency.
I couldn't agree more. TT ought to handle the typical situation where foreign taxes are paid in multiple countries without having to resort to a bizarre work-around.
Following your instructions worked to enable me to add the tax paid to 2 countries from my Merrill Lynch 1099-DIV. However, when TT checked my tax return it found that Form 1099-DIV line 1b (Qualified Dividends) was now larger than line 1a. I made line 1b match line 1a to clear the error. My question is when the IRS matches my downloaded 1099-DiV to the values I changed in lines 1a and 1 b, will that cause a problem that the IRS us going to question me about?
Transfer the excess amount in 1b to another 1099-div. Make sure that the total of all 1a"s and all 1b"s equal the original amounts.
Last year I figured out that I had to create multiple "1099-DIV" entries, one for each country showing foreign tax payments. While it was cumbersome, at least it worked.
This year I did the same thing (ending up with 26 1099-DIV's), but on the "Report foreign Tax Paid" screen where you're supposed to select the 1099-DIV's that apply to a country, only 6 show up instead of all 26. This surprised me because I did the same thing as last year. Is there something different in this year's version of Turbotax?
From previous postings from respondents that had an unusually large nbr of countries, I recall them having the same issue but it turned out that that screen had a 6 payer limit and the next screen had 6 more, etc.
It is fine to use various when there are multiple countries ... in my professional program we use this option all the time.
This makes the most sense to me and it's easy. The first solution is too complicated and too easy to make a mistake. Thanks.
Are you kidding me! I've been fight with my computer for a few hours because of this issue. Put one country in and it erases my previous entry, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat...... I"m thinking, "I must be doing something wrong, again and again and again and again." Yet, the answer is that TT has a MAJOR deficiency and some wonky workaround. Very, very disappointing TT!!!!!!
This MUST be fixed next year otherwise I'm going to another prep software after 21 years.
I agree. Putting in for a foreign tax credit is a major deficiency in TT. At least please prepare a video showing the steps exactly!
by the way, there is no "“Here’s the dividend info we have so far” screen displaying the name of the Payer." on the turbotax download home and business edition. It does have a "report foreign tax paid by ... and lists the payers. Is this the screen referred to?
Yes, that would be the screen.
It seems you understand how to work around TT quirks. Here's my issue. I'm trying to do FTC on my Foreign Income Earned abroad. It's just straight wages I'm talking about. This is the first year I past the FEIE threshold amount. I wish to take both the FEIE and the FTC so I don't want to revoke FEIE for future use as it is unlikely that I will pass the threshold significantly again. In any case, the employer is foreign so he doesn't issue a 1099 but for TT purpose to get the calculation done correctly, should I claim the FEIE for the max amount and put in the 1099 Misc the balance of the amount I earned in order for TT to recognize the FTC. Please let me know what you think and anything else I need to consider to get this done.
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