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Recharacterize Roth conversion done in 2022 in 2022 itself

  • December 26, 2022
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I majorly screwed up in Roth conversion I did for me and wife into IRA to Roth IRA in Jan 2022. Today in 12/26/2022 and I have to reverse this. This is my situation.

- Over the years before, and up and until 2022, me and my wife contributed both deductible and non-deductible contributions into our respective IRAs

- And this same IRA, in my case, also contains the 401K roll overs from earlier employments also

- So, both me and my wife's IRA has a mix of pre and post tax contributions.

- In Jan 2022, I rolled over only the the post tax IRA contributions from the respective IRA accounts into our respective ROTH IRA accounts, without knowing that the rolled amount will be treated split between post and pre-tax by IRS! I came to learn this is a mistake only on Merry X-mas 2022 😞

- By Jan 2022, I was 62 yrs and my wife was 53 yrs (not sure if age is relevant for all this)

- I vaguely know we can recharacterize this roth conversion before Oct 15th 2023 

I will call my IRA & Roth IRA custodian on 27th dec (26th Dec 2022 being holiday) to do recharacterize the amount since I want to cover the recharacterization before I file 2022 return. Pl. help with these questions. 

a) Do I have to recharacterize before 31st Dec 2022 itself to cover both roll over and recharacterizes into my 2022 return?

b) OR I can recharacterize it before April 2023 prior to filing the return?

c) I use turbo-tax premium for my taxes. I am not finding any menu that shows

       - neither how to report my Jan 2022 roth conversion

       - nor how to report recharacterizing the reversal  that I want to do in Dec 2022 for the above Roth  conversion

       - Pl. point me to where to look for this in Turbo-Tax premium. It only asks for if I made IRA contribution, which I did into both of our accounts for 7000 each. But the roth conversion that I already did is over 50K for each of us and thus the recharacterization that I want to now do will be in that range. So I couldn't figure the forms.

 

Pl. help

 

 

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    Best answer by Critter-3

    Yep…you are out of luck. 

    9 replies

    jawckeyAuthor
    Level 4
    December 26, 2022

    I saw a bummer! Think I royally screwed this up! Just now read up Pub 590A and it says ...

     

    No recharacterizations of conversions made in 2018 or later. A conversion of a traditional IRA to a Roth IRA, and a rollover from any other eligible retirement plan to a Roth IRA, made after December 31, 2017, cannot be re-characterized as having been made to a traditional IRA.

     

    So I can't recharacterize,  right?

    Critter-3
    Critter-3Answer
    Level 15
    December 26, 2022

    Yep…you are out of luck. 

    Level 15
    December 27, 2022

    You just have to deal with the fact that the rollover to the Roth included a split of pre- and post-tax contributions, do the math, and keep copies of the paperwork and tax returns.  Your IRAs will still contain a mix of pre and after-tax money unless you do a conversion of the entire balance and deal with the situation once and for all.  

    jawckeyAuthor
    Level 4
    December 27, 2022

    Also pl. clarify how do I use TurboTax 2022 premium when I file 2022 return 

    - to report the screwed up IRA (mix of pre and post tax money) that I partially converted to ROTH in 2022

    - I am assuming that I will get a 1099R with some code letter and just enter those details

    - And pay the taxes on the tax able proportion of the converted money? Hopefully 1099-R will give this figure

     

    Is this correct?

     

    If correct, what code letter would be for 1099R for this conversion? 

    fanfare
    Level 15
    December 27, 2022

    you have to tell turbotax in the interview that you have a prior years basis and/or non-deductible contribution.

    after that, Form 8606 is generated and the calculation is done on that form.

     

    1099-R does not have the taxable amount. Your custodian does not know how many other IRAs you might have.

    @jawckey 

    jawckeyAuthor
    Level 4
    December 28, 2022

    Pl. clarify this question.

     

    I did roll over my previous employers 401K with deferred tax contributions into a 1099 R with a code G and it said 0 taxable income. I did this roll over sometime in the past. But I did NOT use that 1099R in preparing my return in that year. So pl. tell me

    a) Since it has not tax implications, no need to report it in return

    b) OR no matter what we must report it and so, if I didn't report it, I have to now file an amendment for that year?

     

    regards