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March 21, 2025
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401k withdrawal

  • March 21, 2025
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When completing my tax forms i noticed that the amt of my non penalty 401k wd income carried over to the state form and plugged in a 20k subtraction under pension and annuities(pension and annuities income exclusions for local , state  federal pensions) I don't believe I am eligible for this subtraction as this is not a pension (it is a 401k savings acct). I tried 2 different tax programs with the same affect. While it looks great as I would get alot more in a return,  I dont wish to be penalized for the 1k difference if it is wrong . This.is for Nys

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DaveF1006
Level 15
March 22, 2025

To clarify, what state?

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Laf923 Author
Level 2
March 22, 2025

New york

Laf923 Author
Level 2
April 4, 2025

Thank you! 

1. Code 7 is a regular distribution, no 5329 on federal.  The NY exclusion generally requires periodic payment. So you may not qualify. The rules are different on inherited items. For personal pension plans, NY Pub 36 page 13 states:

 If you became age 59½ during the tax year, the exclusion is allowed only for the amount of pension and annuity income received on or after you became 59½, but not more than $20,000. Qualified pension and annuity income includes:

• periodic payments for services you performed as an employee before you retired;

• periodic and lump-sum payments from an IRA attributable to compensation for personal services, but not payments derived from contributions made after you retired that are not attributable to compensation for personal services;

• periodic distributions from an annuity contract (IRC section 403(b)) purchased by an employer for an employee, and the employer is a corporation, community chest fund, foundation or public school;

• periodic payments from an HR-10 (Keogh) plan, but not payments derived from contributions made after you retired;

lump-sum payments from an HR-10 (Keogh) plan, but only if federal Form 4972, Tax on Lump Sum Distributions, is not used. Do not include that part of your payment that was derived from contributions made after you retired;

• periodic distributions from deferred compensation plans sponsored by state and local governments and tax-exempt organizations (under IRC section 457); and

• periodic distributions of benefits from a cafeteria plan (IRC section 125) or a qualified cash or deferred profit-sharing or stock bonus plan (IRC section 401(k)), but not distributions derived from contributions made after you retired.

 

2. Yes, the penalty shows on Sch 2 line 8 and if there is no other reason for the 5329, it is not necessary to add the form. The program goes through the questions for the exceptions to look for any possible reason to reduce the penalty. Without any exception, no form 5329 is correct. 

 


  • Thanks again. I am clear on the 5329 form so no worries there. However I am still stressing the 20k exemption. Like I said the previous person who contacted me for expert help told me it was correct however everything you are stating doesn't seem it is. In fact you said I may not qualify and I don't know
  • how to turn that may into a definite either way