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Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?

Yes to both.

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**

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Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?

No.    Any conversion after Dec 31, 2020 is  2021 conversion and goes on your 2021 tax return  next year.

 

However, you can still make a (deducible - if you qualify) or nondeductible Traditional IRA *contribution* before April 15, 2021 and report that on your 2020 tax return.

 

The maximum IRA contributions for 2020 is $6,000, or $7,000 if you’re age 50 or older by the end of the year; or your taxable compensation for the year which ever is less.

(Taxable compensation is generally wages that you worked for - W-2 or net self-employed income minus the deductible part of the SE tax, but can include commissions, certain alimony and separate maintenance, and nontaxable combat pay ).

See IRS Pub 590A "What is compensation" for details:
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p590a#en_US_2018_publink1000230355

See this IRS link for Traditional IRA deduction limits when covered by a retirement plan at work.

https://www.irs.gov/Retirement-Plans/IRA-Deduction-LimitsThe maximum IRA contributions for 2020 is $6,000, or $7,000 if you’re age 50 or older by the end of the year; or your taxable compensation for the year which ever is less.

(Taxable compensation is generally wages that you worked for - W-2 or net self-employed income minus the deductible part of the SE tax, but can include commissions, certain alimony and separate maintenance, and nontaxable combat pay ).

See IRS Pub 590A "What is compensation" for details:
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p590a#en_US_2018_publink1000230355

See this IRS link for Traditional IRA deduction limits when covered by a retirement plan at work.

https://www.irs.gov/Retirement-Plans/IRA-Deduction-Limits

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**

Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?

Thank you.   

 

Follow up question;   My 2020 AGI is too high for me to make a full $7,000 Roth contribution (I'm over 50 years old).   It looks like I am able to contribute around $900 to a Roth for 2020.  Can I make that $900 contribution and apply it towards 2020 return...and then do a Full $7000 Back Door Roth contribution for tax year 2021?

Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?

Yes to both.

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**

Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?

Here is the full "Backdoor Roth procedure"

 

The "Backdoor Roth" does not exist in tax law. It is a procedure used by some to take advantage of a quirk in tax law that allows making a non-deductible contribution to a Traditional IRA when one cannot contribute to a Roth IRA, and the immediately converting the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA, thereby getting the money into the Roth via "backdoor" tax free.

That "procedure" can only work of all these requirements are met:
1) No Traditional IRA account whatsoever can exist (that includes any SEP or SIMPLE IRA accounts) at the start. If existing IRA's contain any before-tax money or earnings then it will be partly taxable.
2) The Tradition IRA contributions must be reported on a 8606 form as non-deductible.
3) The conversion to a ROTH must be shortly after the contribution to avoid taxable gains.
4) The entire Traditional IRA value must be zero that the end of the year of conversion.

Otherwise the conversion will be partly taxable.

First you must enter your Traditional IRA contributions (if there were 2020 contributions).

IRA contribution
Federal Taxes,
Deductions & Credits,
I’ll choose what I work on (if that screen comes up),,
Retirement & Investments,
Traditional & Roth IRA contribution.

Be SURE to answer the follow up that the are choosing to make this contribution NON-DEDUCTIBLE - if that screen comes up. (DO NOT say that you moved (recharacterized) the money to a Roth) – this is a conversion, not a recharactorazition.

Then enter the 1099-R that shows the distribution.

Federal Taxes,
Wages & Income
I’ll choose what I work on (if that screen comes up),,
Retirement Plans & Social Security,
IRA, 401(k), Pension Plan Withdrawals (1099-R).

Answer the follow-up questions answer the question that you moved the money to another retirement. The screen will open up with choices of where it was moved. Choose you converted it to Roth IRA.

When asked if you have made any non-deductible contributions say " "yes" if you did then enter the non-deductible contributions made for tax years before 2020.     (Usually zero unless you also made a 2019 or earlier non-deductible contribution. If you do have prior year basis then enter the last filed 8606 line 14 value.).

Enter the 2020 year end value of your Traditional IRA a "0" (zero) - if it is in fact zero - this tax free Roth conversion will not work if it is not zero.

[If you had any other Traditional IRA at the end of 2020, then the nondeductible "basis" must be pro-rated over the current distribution and the total IRA value and only a portion of the Roth conversion will be non taxable and part will be taxable, with the remaining non-deductible basis carrying forward for future distributions. You can never only withdrew the nondeductible basis as long as the IRA exists and has a value more than zero.]

The non-deductible amount of your contribution will be subtracted from the taxable amount of the conversion on then 8606 form and enter on line 4a of them 1040 form and a zero taxable amount on line 4b if you did it right.

Also see this TurboTax FAQ:
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/4350747-how-do-i-enter-a-backdoor-roth-ira-conversion

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
Anonymous
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Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?

@macuser_22

 

You keep reposting these instructions but they don't seem to match the 2020 software. Also, you indicate to enter the 1099-R info but if we are doing this back door conversion between Jan and Apr 2021 - we will not have a 1099-R to do this, so it is very confusing. Can you do us a favor, and update your instructions to reflect the current date and software version? 

 

I am trying to enter this "back door" information but the software is trying to steer me one way, and your post is going the other way!!

Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?


@Anonymous wrote:

@macuser_22

 

You keep reposting these instructions but they don't seem to match the 2020 software. Also, you indicate to enter the 1099-R info but if we are doing this back door conversion between Jan and Apr 2021 - we will not have a 1099-R to do this, so it is very confusing. Can you do us a favor, and update your instructions to reflect the current date and software version? 

 

I am trying to enter this "back door" information but the software is trying to steer me one way, and your post is going the other way!!


The above post was posted on 2/26/2000 for filing a *2019* tax return.  2020 TurboTax was not released until Dec 2020.   The information is correct.   Screens in the online version might look somewhat different but the data is the same.  Just add one to the years posted for the 2020 version.

 

Any conversion done after Dec 31, 2020 is a 2021 conversion and you will receive the 1099-R for that next Jan to go on your 2021 tax return next year.

 

There is a misconception that you have until the filing date (Apr 15) to do a backdoor Roth - that is not correct.  You have until Apr 15 to make a 2020 IRA *contribution* only, the conversion part must be reported in the tax year that the conversion took place - 2021.

 

 

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**

Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?

This article seems to suggest that you cannot do a this for 2020 after 12/31/2020.  Am I misreading it?:

Sneak in a Roth IRA Conversion Before December 31 (moneyandmarkets.com)

Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?


@Anonymous wrote:

@macuser_22

 

 

I am trying to enter this "back door" information but the software is trying to steer me one way, and your post is going the other way!!


A backdoor Roth is actually very simply - it is just two transactions

 

1) A non-deductible Traditional IRA contribution reported in the tax year that the contribution is *for*. And

 

2) Converting that Traditional IRA to a Roth  and reporting that in the tax year *in* which it was converted.

 

If the two transactions spanned tax years then #1 is reported in one tax year and #2 the next tax year.

 

(Most people run into trouble because they fail to do #1 and then do not have the required 8606 form to do step #2 so it all ends up being taxable.)

 

 

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
Anonymous
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Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?

Sure, easy. 2 Transactions and 27 questions with legal terms that mean nothing to the average Joe!!

 

I've spent about 6 hours trying to go through this "easy" process to enter information for the Traditional IRA contribution, but since I have exceeded my legal limit of money, the software wants to know if I am taking the overage out before 15 April or pay a fine. Also, no matter how I enter the data the taxable gains that came out of my Roth are not showing up in my 1040. Probably has something to do with the 27 questions that are written by tax lawyers!! All this and it seems like I will be paying for a professional just because of a backdoor conversation problem. Ridiculous that the software cannot handle something that is so "easy"!!

Can I perform a back door roth now and apply it to tax year 2020?


@Anonymous wrote:

Sure, easy. 2 Transactions and 27 questions with legal terms that mean nothing to the average Joe!!

 

I've spent about 6 hours trying to go through this "easy" process to enter information for the Traditional IRA contribution, but since I have exceeded my legal limit of money, the software wants to know if I am taking the overage out before 15 April or pay a fine. Also, no matter how I enter the data the taxable gains that came out of my Roth are not showing up in my 1040. Probably has something to do with the 27 questions that are written by tax lawyers!! All this and it seems like I will be paying for a professional just because of a backdoor conversation problem. Ridiculous that the software cannot handle something that is so "easy"!!


As I said, you CANNOT report a 2021 conversion on a 2020 tax return.   It is not the software that prevents it, it is Federal tax law.      How are you trying to enter it without the 2021 1099-R that you won't get until next year?

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**

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