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QBI for rental property

I have a question regarding rental properties and the Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction.

 

I currently own three rental properties, all of which are managed by a property manager. I've been hearing about the QBI deduction and wondering if it applies to rental income from properties managed by a third party.

 

I'd appreciate any insights or experiences you can share on this matter. Thank you in advance!"

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QBI for rental property

yes if rental is a trade or business which is not defined in the tax code. The IRS refers to section 162, however nowhere will you find a definition. rather what's a trade or business has been determined by court cases.  However, there is a safe harbor election for those with rental real estate. These rules mean that if you meet all the specified criteria, the IRS can not challenge the QBI deduction.  To make matters easier for these taxpayers to meet the 250-hour requirement they are allowed to treat all residential rental real estate as if it were just one property All the hours the property manager spent on all 3 properties goes towards the 250-hour requirement.  Treating them as separate entities for QBI would mean each property would have to meet the 250-hour requirement if the election is made.  please note that there is no requirement to use the safe harbor election. But then the IRS is at liberty to challenge the QBI deduction and you would have to prove that your rental activities rise to the level of a trade or business.

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note the word "enterprise"  if the rentals are not grouped each rental is an enterprise so you have 3 of them. if you group all three are treated as one enterprise.

 

If a taxpayer’s rental real estate activity meets the safe harbor, then it will be treated as a trade or business for purposes of 199A.  

The safe harbor sets out requirements that must be met and includes several exclusions and caveats

The Safe Harbor – Specific Requirements

  1. Separate books and records must be maintained to reflect income and expenses for each rental real estate enterprise (“RREE”).
  2. At least 250 hours of rental services must be performed each year with respect to each RREE.
  3. The taxpayer must maintain contemporaneous records, including time reports, logs, or similar documents, regarding the following: (i) hours of all services performed; (ii) description of all services performed; (iii) dates on which such services were performed; and (iv) who performed the services.  Such records must be made available for inspection at the request of the IRS.

250-Hour Requirement.

Each RREE must satisfy the 250-hour requirement. Specifically, rental services include:

  • advertising to rent or lease the real estate;
  • negotiating and executing leases;
  • verifying information contained in prospective tenant applications;
  • collection of rent;
  • daily operation, maintenance, and repair of the property, including the purchase of materials and supplies;
  • management of the real estate; and
  • supervision of employees and independent contractors.

Moreover, rental services can be performed by owners, employees, agents, and/or independent contractors of the owners. Accordingly, it will become very important that vendors who perform services that could be counted towards the 250-hour requirement provide documentation.

The above list does not purport to be exhaustive. Specifically excluded are the following activities:  financial or investment management activities, such as arranging financing; procuring property; studying and reviewing financial statements or reports on operations; improving property under §1.263(a)-3(d); and hours spent traveling to and from the real estate.

The 250-hour requirement is an annual requirement, but the safe harbor relaxes this once an RREE has been in existence for at least four years.  At that point, the 250-hour requirement need only be satisfied in any three of the five consecutive years ending with the taxable year.

Contemporaneous Documentation Requirement

The safe harbor contains specific language that a taxpayer may provide a description of the rental services performed by such employee or independent contractor, the amount of time such employee or independent contractor generally spends performing such services for the enterprise, and time, wage, or payment records for such employee or independent contractor.

Tax Return Statement

The safe harbor cannot be utilized unless the taxpayer attaches a statement to its tax return. 

If a taxpayer has more than one RREE, the statement must list the required information separately for each RREE. The statement must include the following information:

  • a description (including the address and category (commercial, residential, mixed-use)) of all rental real estate properties that are included in each RREE;
  • a description (including the address and rental category) of rental real estate properties acquired and disposed of during the taxable year; and
  • a representation that the requirements of the safe harbor have been satisfied.

Aggregating Separate Properties

Generally, a taxpayer may only aggregate “similar” properties.  For these purposes, commercial and residential properties are not similar

Once a taxpayer treats interests in commercial properties or residential properties as a single RREE under the safe harbor, the taxpayer must continue to treat interests in all similar properties, including newly acquired properties, as a single RREE to the extent that the taxpayer continues to rely on the safe harbor.

However, a taxpayer that does not group similar rentals in one year may choose to treat its interests as similar in a future year.

Mixed-use properties are treated differently. For purposes of the safe harbor, mixed-use property is defined as a single building that combines residential and commercial units.

The Safe Harbor – Exclusions

  1. The Safe Harbor Only Applies to Rental Real Estate.
  2. The Safe Harbor Does Not Apply to Triple Net Leases.
  3. The Safe Harbor Does Not Apply to Owner Residences.
  4. Real Estate Leased to an Affiliated Trade or Business.

 

 

 

 

 

QBI for rental property

Thank you for detailed information. 

 

250-hour requirement can indeed be a bit tricky and challenging. If the Property Manager doesn't have contemporaneous records, leveraging the Safe Harbor could be problematic.

 

In turbo tax, it provides the following option. By following the wizard, I created an aggregated group and associated all 3 rental properties to it.

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Is it right way to do it? Any potential risk?

 

AmyC
Expert Alumni

QBI for rental property

Yes, this is the right way to enter the QBI. No extra risk. You have them aggregated for the 250 hours. If the IRS asks, you can show your records. You are in good shape with 3 properties and knowledge.

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Akorto
Returning Member

QBI for rental property

If we track our expenses and earnings in a separate book (along with records of time spent, etc) but our expenses and earnings go in and out of our personal accounts (i.e., we don't have a separate business checking, etc), are we still able to qualify for the QBI?

 

We easily meet all other requirements for our furnished rental, but I am not sure if it's enough for written records to be "separate" if our personal and business accounts are otherwise one.

 

Thank you!

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