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How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

For depreciation purposes, you don't really need to know the cost/value of the land.  So for simplicity, I would just ignore that for now.

If you never sell the property, and somebody eventually inherits it, you won't need to know the cost/value of the land either.  So in my opinion, just ignore everything about the land for now.
barfiear
New Member

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

Bluffton SC, Myrtle Island, CO in 2002, improvements were 10,500 permits, subs, materials - I did the labor except for the HVAC, electric, and plumbing.  I have original receipts and can get close on cost to build the house.
Carl
Level 15

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

"and can get close on cost to build the house"
SOunds like a plan. It's possible that your situation *could* be one of those extreme ones too. But first, I need to know if anyone in the generation chain inherited the house, vs receiving it as a gift. If so, then the cost basis is the FMV of the property on the date of the passing of the deceased. (Not the date of inheritance)

If passed as a gift, then the giver does a "quit claim" deed on the house and the recipient gets the giver's cost basis. (This is obviously what your mom did to pass the property to you.)
If passed through inheritance due to the passing of the owner, then the beneficiary recipient's cost basis is the FMV of the property on the date the person they inherited it from, died. So was the property ever passed this way? Or has it always been gifted?
barfiear
New Member

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

I don't know, and my Mom's Alzhimers is too severe to get a reliable answer.  I believe she inherited from my father who died of ALS.  She took down the old summer house and built a new house.  She later re-activated a property division from years before in order to give the back half of the land to me (over several years) and is leaving the riverfront land and house to my sister.  Seems I need to use the amounts in the "gift letters" and the cost of the house.  Those records are pretty accurate.
Carl
Level 15

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

"She took down the old summer house and built a new house"
I'm assuming this one is yours. You should be able to get the cost of that, especially if she got a loan to do it with.
"Seems I need to use the amounts in the "gift letters" and the cost of the house.  Those records are pretty accurate. "
Didn't know you had that. Had I, it would have saved us a lot of time. Those are the amounts to use, assuming those letters have her cost basis in it - be it what she paid for it or whatever. So long as it's "reliably accurate" to the IRS, you're fine.
barfiear
New Member

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

"She took down the old summer house and built a new house" goes to my sister.  She paid cash for it.

Those letters really only say she is forgiving $ xx,xxx.xx dollars as a gift for the land.  Nothing about how the value was determined.   I think there are three of them.

I do sincerely thank you for your help!   This has been a nightmare to sort out and I feel much better now.
Carl
Level 15

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

Forgiving? Can you elaborate? THis would insinuate that she owed you money, and instead of taking cash as a payback for a loan, you accepted the property. If so, that's your cost basis.
barfiear
New Member

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

I am looking for the letters now.  Found all the receipts for the construction of the house.  Now have a copy of the deed from my father to my mother in 1983 (for $10 and love and affection), tax statement for 1983, and copy of the deed to Great-grandmother Smith 1927.
barfiear
New Member

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

Found it.  A promissory Letter was issued July 2000, and then the debt was forgiven, part to me, part to my husband, each year until January 2003.  Deed for property dated May 16, 2000, for sum of $ 10.00.  So basis would be the land at $ 50,000, and the house at actual cost (I haven't calculated exactly but estimate $ 150,000.00

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

Now it is sounding like you legally BOUGHT the land for $50,000 and you had a seller-financed loan with your mother.  Then your mother gradually forgave/gifted the debt.  Is that the case?
barfiear
New Member

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

Yes, I that sounds accurate.  Not sure why I didn't see it that way before...Boy you gentlemen are really kind to stick with me through this mess!
barfiear
New Member

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

Just to update.  I have an appointment with CPA, have all my tax records, prom, note, letters, costs of building, etc. together.  Thank you both so very much for helping work through this.
Carl
Level 15

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

Cost basis is what you paid for the house (or what your mom paid for it in your case) plus the cost of any property improvements incurred after the original purchase (by your mom in this case). It's important to know what qualifies as a property improvement.

Read *ALL* of the below so you can get on the same page as me.

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER  you moved out.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL POPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when  the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not classified as cleaning/maintenance costs. They are instead classified as startup costs, amortized as such and depreciated over time.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are classified as startup costs, amortized as such and depreciated over time.

Startup Costs

Please note that if residential rental income is not your PRIMARY business, and your PRIMARY source of income, then your rental business is considered to be passive, and you flat out, no way, no how , are not allowed to deduct your startup costs. Period. The IRS says so. See https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rr-99-23.pdf and please take note that rental property produces “passive” income, while other types of businesses produce “active” income. Your rental property is not classified as your “active” business, unless you are a real estate professional, an active participant in the management of the property, and it provides a substantial (more than half) amount of your taxable income for the year. All three requirements must be met. There are no exceptions

Start up costs are expenses incurred while preparing the property for rent, with the express purpose being to prepare it for rent, before it is available for rent. These costs do include repair, cleaning and non-recurring maintenance cost. It does NOT include property improvements. With a normal business that produces active income (rental income is passive) you would amortize these costs over 15 years. But you can’t do that with a rental property. However, you can deduct a maximum of $5000 in startup costs in the first year the rental is available for rent, PROVIDED your total startup costs do not exeed $50,000. This is reported on line 18, “Other Expenses” of SCH E, and should be labeled “start up expenses”.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.


Mike FCPA
New Member

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

The basis in depreciation is the lesser of the normal adjusted basis and the FMV, on the date of conversion.

 

 

To complicate things further, when determining a gain or loss on the sale of a rental the normal adjusted basis is used for gains and the adjusted FMV is used for losses. Therefore, if you sell at a loss calculated by the normal adjusted basis method and a gain using the FMV method, then no gain or loss is recognized on your return.

 

Considering that the real estate crash wasn't that long ago, these historically rare instances of determining basis and calculating gains/losses are likely prevalent today.

How do I establish a cost basis for a rental property? I claimed a refinance deduction in 2014. Do I use information from 2014 or current information?

Reflecting on Carl's post regarding Basis.

In 2013 we purchased a new home, converted the old home into Rental. 2013 Taxes I calculated BASIS for the Rental at Fair Market Value, as the 2013 purchase price plus CCs, plus the improvements was far greater than FMV.  We bought near the end of the Inflated Housing Market in May 2006.  So, that BASIS was for the rental business Depreciation calculations. 

Now in 2019 we sold the home, from what I read my BASIS for the sale is based on the original 2006 price plus closing costs, plus capital improvements. 

There appears to be two types of basis, one at conversion to Rental Prop. for depreciation calcs. and one for Business Property Sale for Capital Gains calculation.  Am I correct?  Thank you.  SABrown

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