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Day trading with thousands of transactions from 2 different brokers Schwab and Interactive Broker. Should I put self employed for trading? To help reduce cost

 
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Day trading with thousands of transactions from 2 different brokers Schwab and Interactive Broker. Should I put self employed for trading? To help reduce cost

sorry but this requires a long explanation:

if you didn't make a 475(f) election with a timely filed 2019 return (extension period ignored - so either with return filed by 7/15/2020 or with your timely filed 2019 extension), you can not claim trader status for 2020 which means all these transactions must be reported and you can't claim self-employed status with regard to your day trading. you would include form 8453 with your return and follow the instructions. check box 8949

If you are filing your tax return using an online provider,
mail Form 8453 with 1099-B from broker to the IRS within 3 business days after
you have received acknowledgement from your
intermediate service provider and/or transmitter that the
IRS has accepted your electronically filed tax return. If
you don’t receive an acknowledgement, you must contact
your intermediate service provider and/or transmitter.
Mail Form 8453 to:
Internal Revenue Service
Attn: Shipping and Receiving, 0254
Receipt and Control Branch
Austin, TX 73344-0254

 

 

 

DAY TRADING - TRADER STATUS

Special rules apply if you're a trader in securities, in the business of buying and selling securities for your own account. The law considers this to be a business, even though a trader doesn't maintain an inventory and doesn't have customers. To be engaged in business as a trader in securities, you must meet all of the following conditions:
You must seek to profit from daily market movements in the prices of securities and not from dividends, interest, or capital appreciation;
Your activity must be substantial; and
You must carry on the activity with continuity and regularity.
The following facts and circumstances should be considered in determining if your activity is a securities trading business:
Typical holding periods for securities bought and sold;
The frequency and dollar amount of your trades during the year;
The extent to which you pursue the activity to produce income for a livelihood; and
The amount of time you devote to the activity.
If the nature of your trading activities doesn't qualify as a business, you're considered an investor and not a trader. It doesn't matter whether you call yourself a trader or a day trader, you're an investor. A taxpayer may be a trader in some securities and may hold other securities for investment. The special rules for traders don't apply to those securities held for investment. A trader must keep detailed records to distinguish the securities held for investment from the securities in the trading business. The securities held for investment must be identified as such in the trader's records on the day he or she acquires them (for example, by holding them in a separate brokerage account).
Traders report their business expenses on Schedule C (Form 1040 or 1040-SR), Profit or Loss From Business (Sole Proprietorship) PDF. Commissions and other costs of acquiring or disposing of securities aren't deductible but must be used to figure gain or loss upon disposition of the securities. See Topic No. 703, Basis of Assets. Gains and losses from selling securities from being a trader aren't subject to self-employment tax.
The Mark-to-Market Election
Traders can choose to use the mark-to-market rules, investors can't. If a trader doesn't make a valid mark-to-market election under section 475(f), then he or she must treat the gains and losses from sales of securities as capital gains and losses and report the sales on Schedule D (Form 1040 or 1040-SR), Capital Gains and Losses and/or on Form 8949, as appropriate. When reporting on Schedule D, both the limitations on capital losses and the wash sales rules continue to apply. However, if a trader makes a timely mark-to-market election, then he or she can treat the gains and losses from sales of securities as ordinary gains and losses (except for securities held for investment - see above) that must be reported on Part II of Form 4797, Sales of Business Property PDF. Neither the limitations on capital losses nor the wash sale rules apply to traders using the mark-to-market method of accounting.
A trader must make the mark-to-market election by the original due date (not including extensions) of the tax return for the year prior to the year for which the election becomes effective. You can make the election by attaching a statement either to your income tax return if filed without an extension or to a request for an extension of time to file your return. The statement should include the following information:
That you're making an election under section 475(f);
The first tax year for which the election is effective (that is, the tax year for which a timely election is being made - for you that would be 2021 tax year  - return filed in 2022); and
The trade or business for which you're making the election.
Refer to the Instructions for Schedule D (Form 1040 or 1040-SR), Capital Gains and Losses for more information on how to make the mark-to-market election. It's important to note that in general, late section 475(f) elections aren't allowed.
After making the election to change to the mark-to-market method of accounting, you must change your method of accounting for securities under Revenue Procedure 2019-43 PDF, Section 24.01. In addition to making the election, you'll also be required to file a Form 3115, Application for Change in Accounting Method PDF. Publication 550 PDF describes the procedures for making an election under the section called "Special Rules for Traders in Securities." Non-filing of the Form 3115 mentioned above won't invalidate a timely and valid election.
If you've made a valid election under section 475(f), the only way to stop using mark-to-market accounting for securities is to file an automatic request for revocation under Revenue Procedure 2019-43, Section 24.02. Under that revenue procedure, the request for revocation must be filed by the original due date of the return (without regard to extensions) for the taxable year preceding the year of change (the year of change is the first taxable year the revocation is to be effective). This revocation notification statement must be attached to either that return or if applicable, to a request for an extension of time to file that return. Late revocations won't generally be allowed except in unusual and compelling circumstances


if you are making the 475(f) election for 2021 it had to be filed with a timely filed 2019 return (7/15/2020) or a timely filed extension for that year
for 2022 the election must be filed by 4/15/2021 or with a timely filed election for that year.

a trader is not required to make the 475(f) election but the trades are treated as capital and wash sale rules apply

 

 

Day trading with thousands of transactions from 2 different brokers Schwab and Interactive Broker. Should I put self employed for trading? To help reduce cost

@Mike9241   You are confusing  the Professional Trader MTM election  and Trader Tax Status TTS.

 

@caydan19 

yes if you are a day trader you can file Schedule C as sole proprietorship (or other entity if you form one).

You must be trading "as a business".

Day trading with thousands of transactions from 2 different brokers Schwab and Interactive Broker. Should I put self employed for trading? To help reduce cost

@fanfare 

I qualify for the TTS, but did NOT file for MTM last year. I have filled Schedule C for the expenses, and have imported 1099-B into schedule D. 

In reading these message boards, the best answer I found was along the lines of using form 4797 and adding th e adjustment of expenses to the 1099-B income there. Is there a step-by-step guide available on how does one go about filling this, please. 

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