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Casual eBay Seller Getting Ready for Tax Year 2022 1099-K

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I’m a casual eBay seller. Next year I expect to receive a 1099-K from eBay for ~$1400 in gross sales. After I deduct all sales related expenses which amounts to ~$500, I will net ~ $900.

 

I don’t itemize my taxes. I believe I can use 1040 Schedule 1 for both additional income per Part 1, Line 8z and adjustment to additional income per Part 2, Line 24z; both amounts would be entered in 1040-SR Line 10 and Line 26.

 

Is there a way to make these entries using turbotax Deluxe PC desktop software?

    Best answer by Critter-3

    We will have to wait and see what the IRS is going to do about a lot of folks who are in your position ... they cast a wide net to catch the tax cheats and are going to catch  some honest folks along the way.  Watch for a ruling to come out later this year on how to handle this situation properly.

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    Level 15
    January 5, 2022

    We will have to wait and see what the IRS is going to do about a lot of folks who are in your position ... they cast a wide net to catch the tax cheats and are going to catch  some honest folks along the way.  Watch for a ruling to come out later this year on how to handle this situation properly.

    premmerAuthor
    Level 2
    January 5, 2022

    Thanks for your reply. As an experiment can you make the entries in “other income” and “other adjustment” categories to see if they are entered in Schedule 1 line numbers noted in my post? I don’t TurboTax software to try myself.

    Level 15
    January 5, 2022

    It depends on what you mean by a casual eBay seller.  If you are selling your personal "yard sale" items (jeans you paid $50 for and selling for $10), then you don't need to report this on your return.  Just keep records for if things change later.  The IRS states  "separate reporting of these items is not required. However, you should follow the return instructions on the forms you are completing to report your gross receipts or sales. You should report items that qualify as a trade or business expense on the appropriate line item of Schedules C, E and F.." New Payment Card and Third Party Network Transactions

     

    So, if you are doing this as a sideline business or selling your used items for a profit, like for example, going to yard sales, buying an item for $5 and selling it for $25, then you would need to report it on your Schedule C as part of your gross sales and expenses or schedule E as an investment. 

     

     

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    Level 2
    January 5, 2022

    If your Form 1099-K is for personal items sold, similar to having a garage sale, and you were not in a trade or business, the IRS allows you to also deduct the related expenses for the sale up to the amount of the sale.

     

    If you do not need the self-employment section, you have two options to report Form 10999-K in TurboTax.

     

    Both following options will report Form 1099-K and also zero it out on your return. This will mean you appropriately pay -0- tax on the non self-employed income.

     

    For reporting Form 1009-K for personal items sold not associated with a trade or business, you have two options:

    • Option 1 in TurboTax Premier or higher: reporting Form 1099-K as investment income
      1. Go to the search box and enter Investment Sales
      2. Select Jump to Investment Sales
      3. Select Other at the next screen, OK, what type of investments did you sell? and click Continue
      4. At Tell us more about this sale, enter in the name, such as Form 1099-K Personal Property Sales and the Payer's EIN and click Continue
      5. At Now we'll walk you through entering your sale details, under the first dropdown menu, What type of investment did you sell? Select Personal Items
      6. Answer How did you receive this investment with an option from the dropdown menu.
      7. Enter the Description. If you are uncertain what date you purchased the goods, select Something other than a date so that TurboTax will enter Various
      8. Next, enter your Sale Proceeds and an equal amount for the Total Amount Paid and click Continue. The description for the cost should include Cost of Personal Property
      9. Select None of these apply at Let us know if any of these situations apply to this sale and Continue
      10. Continue through the rest of the prompts 
      11. Select Add another sale to add the next Form received 
         
    • Option 2 in TurboTax Deluxe or higher: reporting it via Other Miscellaneous Income is acceptable to the IRS.
      1. From the left menu, go to Federal and select the first tab, Wages & Income
      2. Add more income by scrolling down to the last option, Less Common Income, and Show more
      3. Scroll down to the last option, Miscellaneous Income, 1099-A, 1099-C and Start
      4. Choose the last option, Other reportable income and Start and Yes
      5. Enter the applicable description and amount and Continue
        • First, enter Form 1099-K as received. It is essential that the full amount be entered.
          • For a description, include Form 1099-K and Personal Property Sales
        • Next, enter an adjustment to reflect the cost of these items as an offsetting, negative amount up to the amount of the income.
          • For the cost description, include Form 1099-K and Cost of Personal Property 
          • In other words, if the goods cost you $100 and Form 1099-K was for $10 in sales, the maximum cost allowable would be $10.

     

    Otherwise, Form 1099-K must be included in the self-employed section of the return. In the self-employed section, negative income cannot be reported. Self-employed persons must use the rebates option under income or report any offsets as miscellaneous expense.

     

    For reporting Form 1099-K from self-employment with offsetting amounts that is associated with a trade or business you own and operate, TurboTax offers two self-employed options. From the Wages and Income section, go to Self-employed income and expenses and select Start/Revisit to begin with reporting Form 1099-K.

    • Option 1
      • Report Form 1099-K as received in the COMMON INCOME section under Other self-employed income, includes 1099-K, cash, and checks
      • Report any cashback or rebates under LESS COMMON INCOME using Rebates and refunds, includes any income returned to customers
    • ​​​​​​​Option 2:
      • ​​​Scroll down to EXPENSES and click in the lower left hand corner, Add expenses for this work
      • Scroll to Other miscellaneous expenses select the toggle, scroll to the bottom of the page and click Continue 
      • Enter a Description for your offsetting amount, such as Form 1099-K costs or Form 1099-K cashback rewards and Continue
    Level 15
    January 5, 2022

    Let's step back.

     

    First, regardless of any forms, you only have taxable income if you sell items for more than you paid for them, or for more than your cost basis.  (Cost basis is usually what you paid for an item, but can be different for items that were gifted or inherited or previously used by a business.  Ask if you want more explanation.)

     

    If you are in an ongoing trade or business, you report your business income and expenses on schedule C.  Being in an ongoing trade or business means you actively and regularly participate, you operate in a businesslike manner, you seek new business opportunities, and you have a profit motive.

     

    If you are a "Casual seller" then you probably aren't involved in "ongoing trade or business" so any net income is hobby income, and you can't deduct expenses.   But remember, you only have income if you sell items for more than your basis.  

     

    What you should always be doing, regardless of tax paperwork, is keeping accurate records.  You want to keep a list of the items you sell that includes a description, how you acquired the item and when, your cost, the selling date, selling price, and selling expenses.  

     

    We don't know how the IRS will want taxpayers to account for the new 1099-K forms on their 2022 tax returns. If you keep proper records, and understand what is taxable and what is not, and whether you are a schedule C self-employed business or a hobby, then you will be prepared for whatever the IRS does. 

    premmerAuthor
    Level 2
    January 5, 2022

    Thanks, your replay is quite informative. I’m not counting on any relieve from a disfunctional Congress.

     

    The use of casual seller description should really be one-time seller. I don’t itemize deductions or operate a business, there forth, I don’t believe I qualify for use of Schedule A or C.  As I understand your reply, my 1099-K gross eBay-related sales must be reported as “hobby income” and no deductions/adjustment are allowed for cost of item, eBay selling fees, shipping costs, packaging and misc. expenses.  I do have very detailed records of the sales which amount to six transactions.  Please confirm or correct my understanding.

    Level 15
    January 5, 2022

    @premmer wrote:

    Thanks, your replay is quite informative. I’m not counting on any relieve from a disfunctional Congress.

     

    The use of casual seller description should really be one-time seller. I don’t itemize deductions or operate a business, there forth, I don’t believe I qualify for use of Schedule A or C.  As I understand your reply, my 1099-K gross eBay-related sales must be reported as “hobby income” and no deductions/adjustment are allowed for cost of item, eBay selling fees, shipping costs, packaging and misc. expenses.  I do have very detailed records of the sales which amount to six transactions.  Please confirm or correct my understanding.


    You missed something, read the answers again.

     

    Your gross sales are not reportable as hobby income.  You only have taxable income if you sell an item for more than its original cost.  Even if you are buying and reselling items for a profit (rather than selling used household items) your taxable income is only the difference in between the selling price and your cost.  If you are selling used items for less than the original cost, you won't have taxable income.

     

    The IRS does not define a "casual seller."  Rather, the IRS defines "ongoing trade or business" and everything that is not an ongoing trade or business is a hobby, no matter if it is one or 5 or 10 times.  

     

    If you are operating as a hobby, your taxable income is only your profit (the amount you sell items for more than their cost) and not your gross sales.  You track your profit per item and add the profits for the items you sold at a profit, but you do not subtract for the items you sell at a loss.

     

    Let me try and create an example without being too complex.

     

    Item Date acquired Cost Date sold Selling Price Profit
    DVD player (purchased for home) 2012 $250 2022 $25 $0
    Used DVDs 2012-2020 $500 (approx) 2022 $50 $0
    DVD player (purchased at garage sale to resell) 2021 $10 2022 $20 $10
    Costume jewelry (mine, purchased or gifted over the years) 1990-2010 $1000 (approx) 2022 $100 $0
    Costume jewelry (purchased at estate sale to resell) 2022 $100 2022 $250 $150
    Total       $445 $160

     

     

    In this example, eBay would issue a 1099-K for $445 in gross sales, but your taxable income would only be $160.

     

    As of 2021, there are two ways you could deal with this on your tax return.  We don't know if the IRS will create a new procedure for 2022 or not.

     

    Also, this has nothing to do with schedule A.  If you were a business, you could deduct your expenses on schedule C.  If this is a hobby, you used to be able to deduct your expenses as a miscellaneous itemized deduction on schedule A subject to the 2% rule, but that deduction was eliminated in the 2017 tax reform law. 

    Level 2
    February 13, 2023

    I'm sorry if this has already been offered, but what I've come up with...  it's not in complete conformance with the IRS instruction to use Schedule 1 lines 8z and 24z, but with the web version of TurboTax, I can't get it to work.  Short of the 1099-B or the Schedule C ,or the Desktop version (overriding lines) techniques, each of which have their own drawbacks, here's the next best thing that should work:

     

    "After removing any other instances of personal sales 1099-K's from your return, go to Wages and Income -> Less Common Income -> Miscellaneous Income (109-A-, C, etc).  Enter a line with the Description "1099-K income from sale of personal items" and then then amount (ex, $2500). Continue from there and then you will get the "Other Miscellaneous Income Summary".  Click "+ Add another Miscellaneous Income Item" and you will be presented with another item for Description and Amount. Enter as Description: "Cost of 1099-K Goods Sold", and then for the amount "-2500" (negative $2500). These two items will be listed on your return, documenting that you have taken care of the 1099-K, and then if there is any question why you backed out that income, it should be self-explanatory if anyone goes to look at it that it is removing the income from that item!"

     

    It seems really, really simple to go this way, and it does not incur an upgrade to Premiere or Small Business, all other things being equal.  Good luck! -btd

    Level 2
    February 14, 2023

    Going way back to my original post.... NO longer applicable to me

    The IRS in its infinite wisdom (Republican pressure) has postponed enforcing the 1099k $600 threshold  2022 tax year, for now. A bill -  SR 26 will go before the House and Senate, called the SNOOP bill to set the amount back to 20k. Anything would be better than 600. So anybody else worried - will not get a 1099k from a 3rd party money handler, or whatever situation is appropriate, if they went over 600 but less than 20k.

     

    This was Bidens idea, as part of the 2021 American Rescue Act. 

     

    BTW God is handling all of what's going on in the secular world's evilness...

     

    Level 15
    February 14, 2023

    The income you described sounds like Hobby income or Personal item sales.  TurboTax provides eight options for reporting 1099-K income.  See below.

     

    To report Hobby income, follow these directions.

     

    • Down the left side of the screen, click Federal.
    • Down the left side of the screen, click Wages & Income.
    • Click Show more to the right of Other Common Income.
    • Under Your income and expenses, click the Edit/Add button to the right of Form 1099-K.
    • At the screen Did you get a 1099-K? click Yes.
    • At the screen How would you like to enter your 1099-K? click Type it in myself.  Click Continue.
    • At the screen Choose which type of income your 1099-K is for, select the button for Hobby income.  Click Continue.
    • At the screen Let’s get the info from your 1099-K, enter the information.  Click Continue.
    • At the screen Your 1099-K summary, notice that the income relates to ‘Hobby’.      Click Done.

     The entry will be reported:

     

    • on line 8j of Schedule 1 of the Federal 1040 tax return, and 
    • on line 8 of the Federal 1040 tax return.

    Hobby income expense is not allowed to be reported.

     

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