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Why does TurboTax say that only two of my college students are eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit?

All three of my sons are full time students in college - one is a junior and the other two are freshmen.  While each of them can be claimed as dependents on my joint return with my wife, I am using TurboTax to prepare returns for each of them that assume that we will not be claiming them.  None of the three provide more than half of their support with earned income.  (I expect that it will make more sense for my wife and I to claim them.  If so, these returns will be used as pro forma exercises to determine how much they would have received in Lifetime Learning Credits had we not claimed them; my wife and I will likely give each of them their respective amounts from our refund to use toward their schooling.)

 

For only two of my sons, TurboTax calculates a Lifetime Learning Credit amount.  The crux of the issue appears to be the treatment of distributions from 529s that are attributable to earnings (Box 2 on the 1099-Q).  For the freshman who is not getting the LLC, TurboTax does not include his 529 distribution attributable to earnings on Line 8 (Other income from Schedule 1) of his 1040.  Because his earned income is low enough and his unearned income is negligible, his standard deduction is approximately $350 higher than his income.  As such, his standard deduction exceeds his income so he shows $0 on Line 15 (Taxable income).

 

His twin brother's return, however, does include his 529 distribution attributable to earnings on Line 8, thus giving him positive Taxable Income and therefore eligibility for the LLC even though the two of them have similar earned and unearned income.

 

Their older brother has significantly higher earned income, so his standard deduction is the max of $12,550.  So he has positive taxable income.  However, what's curious is that his 529 distributions also don't appear on Line 8 and therefore don't contribute to his taxable income.

 

I get that each kid has his own unique set of facts and numbers, but the two freshmen in particular are so similar in their circumstances that I can't believe it's correct that one of them would qualify for hundreds of dollars in LLC and the other $0.  Can anyone help me understand this (or indicate what I need to change in TurboTax to generate what I expect to be a correct result)?

 

Summary:

Junior -

Earned/unearned income: $18,000

1099-Q Box 2 (doesn't appear on Line 8):  $5,300

Taxable income:  $5,600

1098-T Box 1: $53,000; Box 5: $31,900

LLC: $558

 

Freshman 1:

Earned/unearned income: $3.300

1099-Q Box 2 (appears on Line 8):  $3,200

Taxable income:  $2,800

1098-T Box 1: $8,100; Box 5: $1,500

LLC: $282

 

Freshman 2:

Earned/unearned income: $5,400

1099-Q Box 2 (doesn't appear on Line 8):  $4,100

Taxable income:  $0

1098-T Box 1: $19,900; Box 5: $0  (He receives a private scholarship of $500/year which we report)

LLC: $0

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Why does TurboTax say that only two of my college students are eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit?

I should probably clarify - the "earned/unearned income" in the summary above reflects W-2 wages plus interest only.  Any other amounts that might be considered unearned income (529 distributions? scholarships?) are not included in that number.

Hal_Al
Level 15

Why does TurboTax say that only two of my college students are eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit?

Why are you asking about the Lifetime Learning Credit (LLC), instead of the more generous American Opportunity Credit (AOC)?

 

The box 2 amount of a 1099-Q is not automatically taxable.  You need to compare the box 1 amount to net adjusted expenses, including room and board (even if living at home), to determine the percentage of box 2 that is taxable (see example below).

 

While technically there is a provision that allows your sons to claim a tuition credit, from a practical matter it seldom works out.  A student, under age 24, is only eligible for the refundable portion of the American Opportunity Credit if he/she supports himself by working . She cannot be supporting herself on student loans & grants and 529 plans and parental support.  It is usually best if the parent claims that credit.  

If the student actually has a tax liability, there is a provision to allow him to claim a non-refundable tuition credit. But then the parent must forgo claiming the student as a dependent, and the $500 other dependent credit.  The student must still indicate that he can be claimed as a dependent, on his return. This is worth up to $2500 (AOC shifts to all non refundable).

 

Taxable scholarship is generally considered earned income.  The taxable portion of a 1099-Q is unearned.

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You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

 

If you do enter it, enter the 1099-Q before you enter the 1098-T and other expenses.

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.

 

 

 

Why does TurboTax say that only two of my college students are eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit?

Thank you for your reply.  The reason I am not asking about the AOTC is that a) my wife and I can't claim it because we are income-disqualified, and b) my sons can't claim it because none of them provide more than half of their support.  (Please correct me if my understanding is incorrect.  I don't think it is, because after running all the permutations of can/can't be claimed, will/won't be claimed, and do/don't provide 50% of their own support, the only times TurboTax shows an AOTC is if I indicate that they do provide 50% of their own support.)  The only thing that can be monetized, then, is the LLC - and only if it is claimed by each son (again, because my wife and I are income disqualified); this, of course, would preclude my wife and I claiming the Child Tax Credit for each of them.  So there's an interaction between the two.  (If, as I suspect, we end up claiming them as dependents, the Child Tax Credits will end up funding our grants-in-lieu-of-LLC to each of the boys.)

 

For all three of my sons, the amount reported in Box 1 of the 1098-T exceeds the amount reported in Box 1 of the 1099-Q.  That is, the distribution from the 529 was less than the amount the university reports as having been received for qualified educational expenses.  If I interpret your discussion of how to determine what percentage of 1099-Q Box 2 distributions are taxable correctly, none of my three boys should be showing anything on 1040 Line 8.  And yet, one of them does.  (And, in fact, it appears to me that this is what qualifies him for the LLC; see, by comparison, his twin brother.)

 

So with respect Freshmen #1 and #2, at least, it now appears I have one or the other of the following problems:  either Freshman #1 is having 529 distributions incorrectly included in his taxable income (and receiving the LLC as a result), or Freshman #2 is incorrectly having them excluded and is being denied the LLC as a result.

 

Any thoughts?  And please correct any misunderstandings I have.

 

I am still in the process of digesting the rest of your response. 

 

Thanks again.

 

 

AmyC
Expert Alumni

Why does TurboTax say that only two of my college students are eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit?

Since the 1099-Q is less than box 1 of the 1098-T and completely used for qualified expenses, I would not enter it at all. Tuck it in with your tax records. See page 52 for qualified distributions at IRS Publication 970, Tax Benefits for Education.

 

For the education credits, you would exclude any of the income used towards tuition (rather than room and board) when determining your students potential credits. The AOTC income eligibility changed this year to match LLC. The phaseout for  both is:

$80,000-$90,000 or

$160,000- $180,000 MFJ

 

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Hal_Al
Level 15

Why does TurboTax say that only two of my college students are eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit?

While technically there is a provision that allows your student-dependent to claim a federal tuition credit, from a practical matter it seldom works out.  As you already know,  most students are not  eligible for the refundable portion of the American Opportunity Credit (AOTC).  

If the student actually has a tax liability, there is a provision to allow him to claim a non-refundable tuition credit. But then the parent must forgo claiming the student as a dependent, and the $500 other dependent credit.  The student must still indicate that he can be claimed as a dependent, on his return.  But this can still be the more generous AOTC, rather than the Lifetime Learning Credit. The AOTC shifts to all non refundable. So, the student can still get an up to $2500 using only $4000 (or less) of tuition. 

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