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Yes. You can still claim a tuition credit, even though you used ESA money. Some of the ESA may be taxable, but the tuition credit more than makes up for it.
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) and Coverdell ESA
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.
Yes. You can still claim a tuition credit, even though you used ESA money. Some of the ESA may be taxable, but the tuition credit more than makes up for it.
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) and Coverdell ESA
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.
My son is in community college, when I enter the 1098-T, it gives me the education credit. But his tuition costs were covered completely with Coverdell distributions and scholarships. How should I enter so my return is correct? Please confirm, thanks so much!
Jen
Jen,
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Hi! Thanks for your fast response, I actually have the school looking into some numbers on the 1098. He took some of these college classes in high school and there may be an error in box 1 by about a six hundred dollar overage. Regardless, the issue remains the same overall.
You do qualify for the tuition credit. You don't need any further research by the school about the scholarships.
$6353.50 - 1740 = $4613.5 which is more than the $4000 needed to claim the maximum AOC credit. A $600 error won't change that.
The fact that box 2 of the 1099-Q is 0, means you do not need to report the distribution from the Coverdell. You have 0 earnings, so nothing is taxable. Essentially the distribution did not get used for education, so you can apply all the expenses to the credit
Thanks again, this is so interesting. I apologize for my questions if repetitive but want to make sure I am understanding correctly. I realize the error may not make a difference. But what if my son received a distribution of 4998.50 to cover all of these expenses, I don't feel like I would get the education credit since it is completely covered. Am I missing something? The 1099 is in his name, and he is not employed currently if that is helpful information.
Thanks!
The fact that box 2 of the 1099-Q is 0, means you do not need to report the distribution from the Coverdell. You have 0 earnings, so nothing is taxable. Essentially the distribution did not get used for education, so you can apply all the expenses to the credit
The fact that the Coverdell (ESA) distribution went to your son, rather than you doesn't change the answer.
" I don't feel like I would get the education credit since it is completely covered."
Look at it this way: you/he took money out of your plan. You get to decide what you use the money for. If you decide not to use it for education (and that is essentially what you are doing), then it becomes taxable. But since box 2 is 0; the taxable amount is also 0. Since you know the taxable amount is 0, you do not have to report the distribution.
When the taxable amount is 0, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. So, don't risk making a mistake: don't enter the 1099-Q in TT.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
Ok, got it. Thank you SO much for all of your help!
Jen
Hi again! So after I spoke to the my financial adviser this issue came up again regarding the Coverdell distributions and tax credit. I looked again and found this post which does not seem to be in alignment with what we discussed previously.
Note that "Fern" is a "new member", not an expert, employee, Champ or high level member. His answer, while essentially correct, is subject to interpretation.
You can not use the same expenses to qualify for an education credit, tax free scholarship and/or tax free ESA/529 distribution. But, you are basically free (some limitations) to allocate those expenses to whichever tax break(s) you want to claim.
That said, it doesn't matter in your case: box 2 of the 1099-Q is 0. It's the first and only time I've seen that, in this forum, although it's very possible (unusual doesn't mean it's wrong).
This does assume that box 2 of the 1099-Q was actually 0 (not blank) and the amount in box 3 was 4998.50 (not blank or 0).
Thanks, I did not realize that. If his total tuition after scholarships is about five thousand, and we took a five thousand dollar distribution it would seem these are the same expenses (there is not room and board or anything above that).
Upon rechecking my 1099 box 2 says blank not zero (my error). Box 3 is also blank.
So I think I cannot claim the tuition credit since all expenses are covered. Do you agree?
Thanks,
Jen
Q. So I think I cannot claim the tuition credit since all expenses are covered. Do you agree?
A. Yes and no. Yes, on the surface, that is correct. But there are ways around it .
First, I disagree that there is no room and board or anything above that. If he is living at home, he can't count "room" unless he is paying you rent (and maybe not even then). But he can count food (board). You can keep track of food expenses or use the school's meal plan cost for on campus students
Since the tuition credit is worth as much as $2500, you want to claim it first even if it means paying some tax on the ESA distribution and/or scholarship.
You'll have to calculate the earnings portion of the distribution, since the plan administrator didn't provide it. You do this from your own records. If boxes 2 & 3 were blank, some where on form 1099-Q they tell you the Fair Market Value of your account, which may or may not be helpful in that calculation.
OK, I will look into this-it does seem to be the better choice with such a significant credit.
Thanks,
Jen
Hi!! Just following up as I am slowly understanding this calculation. I did indeed claim the tuition credit first on my return. Now to file for my son who currently has no income but will now have to pay on the portion of the distribution that is no longer tax free (he is the beneficiary and his SS# is on the 1099- Q).
I have worked through the Coverdell ESA-taxable distributions and basis worksheet multiple ways and am complete. The one question I have is in Part II. Line 2 where it says, "enter your basis in this Coverdell as of 12/31/2019?" We contributed 2,000 to this account about many years ago and never contributed again and took the first disbursement in 2020. So is the basis only that money (2,000) since it was the sole contribution and before 2020, or it the total amount of the account as of 2019 (which is mostly earnings which I think are tax free)?
Thank you!!
Jen
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