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sethness
Returning Member

qualified education expenses

i am confused about how to enter college room and board as a education expense. in the education expenses and scholarships section it seems to only allow me to enter tuition, fees and books/materials/ But room and board are qualified expenses for a 529 plan distribution.

 

in the 529 section TT is now telling me that my child needs to report a large portion of the 529 distribution as taxable because it doesn't know about the room and board

 

(i am entering both the 1098T and 1099Q because we are claiming an AOTC and there is somme double dipping with the 529 that i need to deal with (though the amount TT says is taxable is much larger than the overlap))

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Hal_Al
Level 15

qualified education expenses

In order to get the room and board screen, you need to enter the 1099-Q before you enter the 1098-T. 

 

You may have to delete both and start over.

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

sethness
Returning Member

qualified education expenses

thank you so much. this makes a lot of sense

sethness
Returning Member

qualified education expenses

so i deleted the 1099Q from my return and added it to me son's, whereupon TT is now charging penalty and tax on all of it.

 

where do i enter his educational expenses on his return? do i enter the 1098T on his return also and then somehow not accept the AOTC?

Hal_Al
Level 15

qualified education expenses

Q. Where do i enter his educational expenses on his return?

A. You enter them in the educational expenses section, same as on your return.

 

Q.  Do I enter the 1098T on his return also and then somehow not accept the AOTC?

A. Yes, you enter the 1098-T, on his return even though you entered it on your return. You still claim the AOTC on your return. TurboTax should ask how much was used for the tuition credit. If it doesn't, reply back for a workaround. 

sethness
Returning Member

qualified education expenses

TT still does not seem to be letting me add the room and board to my sons qualified educational expenses on his return.

 

do i just add them to the box 1 amount in the 1099T?

Hal_Al
Level 15

qualified education expenses

To get the screen to enter Room & Board, answer yes when asked if you have book expenses.

 

Q. Can I just add them to the box 1 amount in the 1099T?

A. Yes, as a last resort workaround. Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS.  What you enter is not sent to the IRS. It's just used to get TT to calculate the taxable amount of the 1099-Q earnings

Hal_Al
Level 15

qualified education expenses

You've got another issue to deal with.  Because of the double dipping your student has to pay some tax.  But having claimed the AOTC, on the parent's return, allows for an exception to the 10% penalty. 

 

Ideally, TT asks how much was used for the credit.  But I've found it doesn't always. You may have to use another workaround.

 

Normally, you enter the 1098-T, exactly as received, on the student's return.  In his interview, you should eventually reach a screen called "Amount used to calculate education deduction or credit" Be sure the amount in that box is $4000. That will eliminate  the penalty and generate form 5329 to claim the penalty exception.

Be advised some people are saying they're not getting the "Amount used to claim the tuition deduction or credit" screen on the dependent’s interview. The alternate workaround is  to enter $4000 less than the actual box 1  amount, when you enter the 1098-T. That takes care of the tax calculation, but doesn't eliminate the penalty. 

 

Try this, if needed: enter the actual the 1098-T amount in box 1 (+ the R&B if needed)  but add $4000 to the box 5 amount.  The AOTC and scholarship penalty exceptions are the same.

sethness
Returning Member

qualified education expenses

that takes care of everything, thanks  a lot.

 

one thing i noticed though, is that i don't think you need to reduce the 1098T box 1 amount by the amount used by the parent to claim the AOTC. since at the end of the education info form there is a page dedicated to entering that amount.

sethness
Returning Member

qualified education expenses

thanks

 

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