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My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

 
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Hal_Al
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My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

As you apparently know, because he has no taxable income, you can claim him as a dependent if you provided more than half his support for the year.

The $45,000 is support you provided. The  $40,000 from loans is support not provided by you (unless you co-signed the loan). If that $85,00 constituted all his support, you can claim him as a dependent.

If there was other support, The IRS has a worksheet that can be used to help with the support calculation. See: http://apps.irs.gov/app/vita/content/globalmedia/teacher/worksheet_for_determining_support_4012.pdf 

If the student lives at home, you may count that as support. He is still considered as living at home, if your home is his principal residence and he is temporarily away at school. The support value of a home is the fair market rental value, divided by the number of occupants.

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Hal_Al
Level 15

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

As you apparently know, because he has no taxable income, you can claim him as a dependent if you provided more than half his support for the year.

The $45,000 is support you provided. The  $40,000 from loans is support not provided by you (unless you co-signed the loan). If that $85,00 constituted all his support, you can claim him as a dependent.

If there was other support, The IRS has a worksheet that can be used to help with the support calculation. See: http://apps.irs.gov/app/vita/content/globalmedia/teacher/worksheet_for_determining_support_4012.pdf 

If the student lives at home, you may count that as support. He is still considered as living at home, if your home is his principal residence and he is temporarily away at school. The support value of a home is the fair market rental value, divided by the number of occupants.

Carl
Level 15

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

From what I see because of his age, he could possibly fall under the qualifying relative rule, and not the qualifying child rule. Apparently, that negates any claims for education credits by the parents. Only the student can claim them. Of course, if not an undergraduate then the credits are very limited too. But like you said, the main thing is that he has no taxable income. Or if he does have taxable income, it must be less than $4000.
Hal_Al
Level 15

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

A taxpayer can claim the education credit whether his student-dependent is either a qualifying child or a qualifying relative. So, if mainedoc is claiming the dependent, he gets the credit.
 It only takes $10,000 of tuition to get the maximum $2000 Lifetime Learning Credit.
Carl
Level 15

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

If the student is the primary borrower on the loans, then the loan money is considered to be the student's money that the student used to support themself with. If the parent is the primary borrower on the loan, then the parent is considered to have used that money to support the student with. If the parents qualify to claim the student as a dependent, and the parents qualify to claim the education expenses, that is the best turnout tax wise for the family as a whole. From the looks of it, just based on his age it would appear you get to claim nothing. But you'll have to read the below and work it through in the program to confirm it.

            • College Education Expenses

Understand that figuring out who claims the student as a dependent, and determining who claims the education expenses & credits, is two different determinations. It depends on the specific situation as outlined below.

Here’s the general rules gisted from IRS Publication 970 at http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p970.pdf

If the student:

Is under the age of 24 on Dec 31 of the tax year and:

Is enrolled in an undergraduate program at an accredited institution and:

Is enrolled as at least a half time student for one academic semester that begins during the tax year, (each institution has their own definition of a half time student) and:

the STUDENT did NOT provide more that 50% of the STUDENT’S support (schollarships/grants received by the student do not count as the student providing their own support)

Then:

The parents will claim the student as a dependent on the parent's tax return and:

The parents will claim all schollarships, grants, tuition payments, and the student's 1098-T on the parent's tax return and:

The parents will claim all educational tax credits that qualify.

If the student will be filing a tax return and:

The parents qualify to claim the student as a dependent, then:

The student must select the option for "I can be claimed on someone else's return", on the student's tax return. The student must select this option ieven f the parent's qualify to claim the student as a dependent, and the parents do not claim them.

Now here’s some additional information that may or may not affect who files the 1098-T. If the amount of scholarships/grants exceeds the amount of qualified education expenses, the parent will know this when reporting the education on their tax return, because the parent will not qualify for any of the tax credits. (They only qualify for tax credits based on out-of-pocket qualified expenses not covered by scholarships/grants.)  Also, the parent’s will not qualify for the credits depending on their MAGI which is different for each credit, and depends on the marital status of the parent or parents.

In the case where scholarships/grants covers “all” qualified education expenses, the parent’s don’t need to report educational information on their dependent student at all – but they still claim the student as a dependent if they “qualify” to claim the student.

 If the scholarships/grants exceed the qualified education expenses, then the student will report the 1098-T and all other educational expenses and scholarships/grants on the student’s tax return. The student will pay taxes on the amount of scholarships/grants that are not used for qualified education expenses. However, if the student’s earned income reported on a W-2, when added to the excess scholarships/grants does NOT exceed $6200, then the student doesn’t even need to file a tax return, and nothing has to be reported.

If the student has any other taxable income not reported on a W-2, and it exceeds $400, (not including taxable portion of scholarships/grants) then most likely it’s considered self-employment income. That will require a tax return to be filed and the student will have to pay the Self-Employment tax on that income.

Finally, regardless of the student’s W-2 earnings, if any taxes were withheld on those earnings and it was less than $6200, then the student should file a tax return so as to get those withheld taxes refunded.

 


My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

Student is over 24.
Carl
Level 15

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

Yeah I mentioned the age thing. While I've not worked it out, I can see where it might be possible under certain circumstances for the student over 24 to qualify as a dependent, but I don't see how the parent's could qualify for any education expenses. besides, at 25 yrs old in med school, I would expect at that age they are no longer an undergraduate either.

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

It looks like they are providing more than 50% of his support ($45,000 of $85,000).

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

My daughter is in medical school she is 27 her final year.I pay all her expense she is on her rotations moving place to place.She is in Renown's Medical Center in Nevada.She will be there till November 2021.I am paying for all her expense.Does she get any stimulus money or tax credit for 2019,2020,or 2021.Really appreciate it for any help you can provide. Thanks 

Hal_Al
Level 15

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

There is no stimulus for tax year 2019.  She gets the 2020 and 2021 as long as she did not qualify as someone else's dependent.  She claims the stimulus by filing tax returns for those years (the IRS may actually send her the 2021 advance stimulus after she file her 2020 tax return).

 

So your other  question is: does she qualify as your dependent. Support ("I am paying for all her expenses") is only one of the dependent tests.  

There are two types of dependents, "Qualifying Children"(QC) and standard ("Qualifying Relative" in IRS parlance even though they don't have to actually be related). She is too old to be a QC. 

A person can still be a Qualifying relative dependent, if not a Qualifying Child, if he meets the 6 tests for claiming a dependent:

  1. Closely Related OR live with the taxpayer ALL year
  2. His/her gross taxable income for the year must be less than $4300 (2020).
  3. The taxpayer must have provided more than 1/2 his support
  4. He must be a US citizen or resident of the US, Canada or Mexico
  5. He must not file a joint return with his spouse or be claiming a dependent of his own
  6. He must not be the qualifying child of another taxpayer

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

Read your response - follow up... What if he graduated medical school in May and started his residency in late June, is 27 years old, and only made $29K in 2022?  I still pay for his rent, car insurance and incidentals. (Residency salary is pathetic, non-livable wage)  Can I claim him as a dependent? 

My son is 25 years old and in med school. I paid 45000 of his 85000 dollar expenses. He received 40000 in loans, but earned no money. Can I claim him as a dependent?

@Frank_1 

Since he is older than 23 and has gross income of $4,400 or more no one can claim him as a dependent under the Qualifying Relative rules.

 

To be a Qualifying Relative -

1. The person cannot be your qualifying child or the qualifying child of any other taxpayer. A child is not the qualifying child of any other taxpayer if the child's parent (or any other person for whom the child is defined as a qualifying child) is not required to file an income tax return or files an income tax return only to get a refund on income tax withheld.
2. The person either (a) must be related to you or (b) must live with you all year as a member of your household.
3. The person's gross income for the year must be less than $4,400 (social security does not count) in 2022
4. You must provide more than half of the person's total support for the year.
5. The person must be a U.S. citizen or a U.S., Canada, or Mexico resident for some part of the year.
6. The person must not file a joint return with their spouse.

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