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My dependent son is a senior at university. We were fortunate that he earned scholarships and last year, made the determination that his 529 had a sufficient balance that we could withdraw funds from the 529 equal to his scholarship. My expectation is that the earnings for this withdrawal would be taxable, but there would be no penalty, and TurboTax has treated it as such.
Now for the complication. Payments made to the university for his tuition were in his name, so he received a 529. I made the withdrawal equivalent to the scholarship amount and I received a 529. When I did my taxes, the 1098-T from the university and both of our 1099-Qs were entered on my tax return. I have done it this way each year that he has been at university. Everything seemed to be on track, until I realized that TurboTax had only included the taxable share of earnings from my 1099-Q on my return. The taxable share of earnings on his 1099-Q don't appear to be on my return, even though he is a dependent and I entered his 1099-Q on my return.
Is the expectation that I would enter the remaining earnings on his return in this scenario? He does have other earned income, but previously filed his return.
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The 1098-T can be entered on both returns, sometimes with adjustments. When you enter the 1098-T, on your return, box 1 should equal box 5. Yes, under-report the tuition from the 1098-T, because he's using it on his return. You just need to show that scholarship paid for tuition, so you can claim the penalty exception. Be sure to enter room & board, but do not enter books.
He enters the 1098-T, as received. He enters book and materials costs, but not R&B.
This is easier to explain with actual numbers. Essentially, you need to have an idea of the outcome, so that you know what to input.
Your son's 1099-Q should go to his return, not yours. That's the reason why the earnings don't show up on your return.
Q. Is the expectation that I would enter the remaining earnings on his return in this scenario?
A. Yes, because he is the "recipient" of the 1099-Q for that distribution ("Payments made to the university for his tuition were in his name, so he received a 529").
Since he's already filed, there is a work around. At tax filing time, it is not necessary to match 529 distributions to the actual expenses they paid. You may allocate as needed, as long as the distributions and expense payments occurred in the same year.
So, you can claim that his 1099-Q covered the room and board and enough other expenses to make it not reportable. Enter the remaining expenses and scholarship offset on your return with only your 1099-Q.
If you need some help with doing that, provide some actual numbers.
Provide the following info for more specific help:
Thanks, I appreciate your help. So my son's 1099-Q actual distributions (box 1 less box 5) includes the actual tuition paid to the school plus books and materials. None of it is taxable.
My 1099-Q distributions covers his room and board, plus the taxable withdrawal equivalent to his scholarship. So basically, I could just not report his 1099-Q in this scenario? Would I still enter the 1098-T on my return?
Q. So my son's 1099-Q actual distributions (box 1 less box 5) includes the actual tuition paid to the school plus books and materials. None of it is taxable. I could just not report his 1099-Q in this scenario?
A. Correct.
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip!
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
Q. My 1099-Q distributions covers his room and board, plus the taxable withdrawal equivalent to his scholarship. So basically, Would I still enter the 1098-T on my return?
A. Simple answer: yes. But not to claim anything. Just to get TurboTax to report the the taxable amount of your 1099-Q and claim the scholarship exception (on form 5329) to the 10% penalty.
But, if you are eligible, you can still claim the tuition credit by also making some of his scholarship and/or 1099-Q taxable (would require him to file an amended return). See example below.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
I appreciate all of the detail, but I'm still stuck. For clarification, we are not eligible for any of education credits.
If I remove my son's 1099-Q and the 1098-T, all of the distribution is considered taxable (including the room and board that I paid) and I am being charged the 10% penalty on earnings since there isn't any offsetting tuition or scholarship. Through manually answering questions on the underlying student worksheet, I can get the room and board reflected as non-taxable, but I'm still being charged the penalty on the portion I withdrew equivalent to the scholarship.
If I enter the 1098-T and my 1099-Q, there aren't any taxable earnings since my withdrawals against the 529 are less than the amount shown on the 1098-T.
The only way that I've been able to get this to calculate correctly is to basically under-report the tuition from the 1098-T.
How do I get out this morass?
The 1098-T can be entered on both returns, sometimes with adjustments. When you enter the 1098-T, on your return, box 1 should equal box 5. Yes, under-report the tuition from the 1098-T, because he's using it on his return. You just need to show that scholarship paid for tuition, so you can claim the penalty exception. Be sure to enter room & board, but do not enter books.
He enters the 1098-T, as received. He enters book and materials costs, but not R&B.
This is easier to explain with actual numbers. Essentially, you need to have an idea of the outcome, so that you know what to input.
I see where I can adjust box 1 in the 1098-T in TurboTax now, so I can correctly report the R&B and scholarship withdrawal. The taxable portion and the penalty now show correctly on the student worksheet.
Thank you so much for your help!
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