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First, sorry if this has been touched on in other posts, but I did not see an answer that I feel answers my question. Unfortunately this topic is one I’m having trouble grasping the overall concepts, so I would appreciate any simplified explanations. (Please don’t just send a link to another article)
background: I have a 20yr old, filed as my dependent, in college. I pay tuition. I have a 529 and payments go directly to school. They also have grants and scholarships, and work study job, but they receive the income from that.
ok, I was doing my taxes and since the 1099-Q shows my kid as the beneficiary, TurboTax did not allow me to record anything on mine.
doing my kid’s, I put in the 1099-Q on their return and suddenly they owed a chunk of money. I then entered the 1098-T on theirs and did not change. (Scholarships and grants are not greater than tuitions, etc.) But then from what I interpreted from TT’s suggestion, I listed their room and board on a separate education expense. (those charges were part of the charges listed on the 1098-T). Then it came down to them owing $51. Overall w-2 income was less than $1200, but nothing was withheld except SS and Medicare.
does this sound right? I don’t see how the tuitions and payments from 529 affect their return, since I’m paying this and I put all the money into the 529. So, it’s a conceptual issue for me.
thank you in advance!
JS
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Q. Then it came down to them owing $51. Does this sound right?
A. Yes. With only $51 of unearned income and $1200 of earned income, the student is not required to file a tax return.
The 1099-Q is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
That's the simple answer.
Q. I don’t see how the tuitions and payments from 529 affect their return, since I’m paying this and I put all the money into the 529. So, it’s a conceptual issue for me?
A. When you had the 529 money sent to the school, that made the student the "recipient" of the funds and he needs to match the funds to the tuition and expenses. He also has scholarship money that needs to be matched to expenses. See the long complicated explanation below.
There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):
Based on your description, TurboTax probably did the first two. But, most parents want to claim the $2500 education credit, even if it means their student has to pay a little tax on their scholarship or 529 distribution.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
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