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I entered two 1099-Q forms for my daughter.
The first came up with $4274 being taxable to the recipient (my daughter - who was listed on the 1099-Q).
For the Second one - I was listed as the Recipient - but the Designated beneficiary was again my daughter.
Turbo tasks asked me who's shown as the Recipient - I entered 'Someone Else not listed here'. The who is the student - I entered my daughter. Box 6 'Recipient is not designated Beneficiary' was ticked on form 1099-Q.
My daughter is my dependent - but she files her own taxes - including her education expenses.
For the second 1099-Q it was also taxable - 4879 being taxable to the recipient. I guess that would in this case be ME.
Now the question is this the total taxable amount is $9153 - but only $4274 shows on my daughters returns on her Schedule 1 etc.
1. She was technically the recipient of all the money - even if box 6 was marked on the second form -
How do we pay the taxes on that missing $4879? How to I either get it onto her Schedule 1 or how to I report it on my own form ?
The Student Info Wk does show $9153 as earnings taxable to recipient!!.
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" She was technically the recipient of all the money".
For tax purposes, it doesn't work that way. The 1099-Q was sent to you (the owner), so if any of it is taxable, it goes on your return, because you are the recipient. Note your name in the box titled "RECIPIENT’S name".
"My daughter is my dependent - but she files her own taxes - including her education expenses".
As a dependent, she cannot claim an education credit. The only times she would "file her education" on her taxes would be to report taxable scholarship or taxable 529 distribution.
Q. How do we pay the taxes on that missing $4879?
A. Report it on your return. Answer you, not someone else, when asked who the recipient is. If you want it on her return, in the future, have the plan send the money to her (the beneficiary), or her school, not to you (the owner). You're allowed to do that.
Why do think the 529 distribution is taxable? See my 2nd reply for a full 529 distribution discussion. There may be better ways to do this.
Provide the following info for more specific help:
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit regardless of whose money was used to pay the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
There is $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. A student, with no other income, can have up to $13,850 of taxable scholarship (in 2023) and still pay no income tax.
I do not understand how to enter this.
I have one 1099-Q issued to me (I took non qualified withdrawal due to her Scholarship).
Box 1 $39098 Gross
Box 2 13186 Earnings
Box 3 25911 Basic
Box 6 is ticked.
And another 1099-q in her name
Box 1 33680
Box 2 11551
Box3 22128
Box 6 is not ticked.
She attended 2 colleges.
First 1098-T shows $3110 in Box 1
Second shows:
Box 1 $58425
Box 5 Scholar Ship $37000
The actual tuition paid is $70690 (College scholarship paid $70690).
In addition she had $8100 in Room and Board since she lives off campus.
On her Tax Return for 1098-T I entered
Box 1 58425 (and then entered actual tuition paid 70690) and the Box 5 $37000 scholarship.
I did NOT enter second college or Room and Board.
For her this matched - the money paid vs the 1099-Q in her name,
Now for me - I want Turbotax to acknowledge I am allowed to take out $37000 without a penalty due to the scholarship rule.
For expenses on my Return I would enter
$3110 for her 2nd College
$8100 for Room and Board.
But how do I enter the $37000 scholar ship from the first school on the expense side? (We are NOT allowed to take Education deductions or revenue due to income level).
On the 1098-T panel do I enter
Box 1 $58425
Then Enter the tuition paid $37000
Box 5 $37000
??
When I do that on the Student Info Worksheet it ends up calculating the Earnings Taxable to recipient as $9117 and there is no Tax Penalty (because it knows about the $37000 Scholarship).
That makes sense to me ...
I took out $39098 in my name and I spent $12067 on education expenses ($3110+Room and Board and Computer Expense).
The Excess distribution is $27031
Based on the 1099-Q Earnings vs Basis ratio that ends up being $9117 as taxable income to me....
BUT is it correct to file it like that ? I am not sure how much of this the IRS gets to see like the 1099-T and 1098-Q numbers reported.
I did it to make Turbotax calculate it ....
"Second 1098-T shows:
Box 1 $58425
Box 5 Scholar Ship $37000
The actual tuition paid is $70690 (College scholarship paid $70690)"
Why was the $70,690 not accounted for on the 1098-T? Are the 58,425/37,000 in addition to the 70,690? As stated, it doesn't make sense.
"Box 1 58425 (and then entered actual tuition paid 70690) and the Box 5 $37000 scholarship"
What about the $70,690 scholarship?
Why are you not entering the room & board for the 2nd school?
You are allowed to allocate all the expenses between the two 1099-Qs as you see fit, for the best benefit. You are not restricted to entering one school for you and one for her. Although doing so can get messy.
529 Scholarship Exception.
Here's quick workaround in TurboTax:
Enter the 1099-Q. When asked who the student is answer: someone else not listed here (lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS). Enter the student's name when asked. A few screens later, you'll get one simple screen to enter expenses. Press Done at the 1099-Q summary screen, to get there. Also enter the amount of the scholarship in the box "Tax-free assistance"*. This reports the earnings as taxable and claims the scholarship exception. You do not have to deal with the complicated “Educational expenses and Scholarships” (1098-T) section later. TT will prepare form 5329 to claim the penalty exception.
*In addition to the expenses, you paid with your distribution, also enter the expenses that were paid by the scholarship. This will show that scholarship paid the same amount of expenses (as the non qualified portion of the distribution) qualifying you for the penalty exception.
Q. Not sure if that is legal or if it will get caught in auditing etc.
A. Yes, it's all legal. Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want (and what you know to be correct & accurate) does not constitute lying to the IRS.
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