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My Coverdell 1099Q matches what I paid out of pocket … most of which matches what the school says I paid on the 1098T. My kid also got a scholarship that isn’t included in the amount I paid (as it shouldn’t), but I can’t zero out the tax from the 1099Q without jacking up the expenses well beyond what I paid out of pocket. It leads me to believe Turbotax is netting the scholarship against the amount out of pocket … which it shouldn’t be doing. I have used Turbotax for almost 20 years. Anyone else have this problem or does anyone have any thoughts?
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You can't use tax free scholarships and the ESA distribution to cover the same expenses. That's double dipping. The ESA distribution can be used to cover room and board, which usually means the scholarships can cover tuition..
It gets complicated entering all that in TurboTax (TT). Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
The 1098-T is also only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T.
But, even though your expenses were paid by ESA and/or your student's scholarships; it is still possible to claim a tuition credit, by paying a little tax on the ESA distribution. Read on for details.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) and Coverdell ESA
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
You can't use tax free scholarships and the ESA distribution to cover the same expenses. That's double dipping. The ESA distribution can be used to cover room and board, which usually means the scholarships can cover tuition..
It gets complicated entering all that in TurboTax (TT). Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
The 1098-T is also only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T.
But, even though your expenses were paid by ESA and/or your student's scholarships; it is still possible to claim a tuition credit, by paying a little tax on the ESA distribution. Read on for details.
__________________________________________________________________________
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) and Coverdell ESA
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
Thanks. Everything ties out manually, so I am not concerned. I am glad it won’t even show in the return because I fudged it to get it to work. As I mentioned, TT applied the scholarship to what I had paid out of pocket ... kind of a reverse double dip ... more like a no dip. Thanks for the tip on the credit while still using the 529. I will read more about that before doing it.
So I'm not entirely following this. So I took out $10,200 out of my 529 for my daughter as that what was left due after scholarships and her Federal Unsubstantiated loan was applied. I received a 1099-T which says her qualified tuition related expenses were $21,700 (Box 1) and her Scholarships or grant were $7350 (Box 5). Those were the only boxes that had numbers other than 0. I received her 1099-Q where Box 1 shows the $10,200 and Box 3 (Basis) shows $7895 where the remaining $2,300 is in Box 2 (Earnings). when I fill out here taxes, she is paying taxes on the $2,300 which is eliminating her $350 refund to I'm having to pay $100 for federal. State is similar. I'm not sure where this $2,300 is coming from. All the money, to the best of my knowledge, is going towards qualified education expenses. So when is she having to pay taxes on this? This does not make sense. What's the point of having a 529 plan if you are going to pay taxes?
@RobMc -
Based on your numbers, some of the 1099-Q is taxable, just not the full $2300 (see the example above). If you provide your room & board and book & other course materials expenses, I can give you a more exact amount. The TT interview is complicated.
You need to enter all her expenses, on her return and adjust for what you claim on your return.
I assume you claimed the American Opportunity credit on your return. That will make some of her scholarship (about $1000 depending on her book costs. See example below.
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There is a tax “loophole” available. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American opportunity credit, as income on his return. That way, the parents (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship. You cannot do this if the school’s billing statement specifically shows the scholarships being applied to tuition or if the conditions of the grant are that it be used to pay for qualified expenses.
Using an example: Student has $10,000 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $8000 in box 1. At first glance he/she has $2000 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit. But if she reports $6000 as income on her return, the parents can claim $4000 of qualified expenses on their return.
In your case, you can only use $2850 (plus any book costs) to claim the AOC (10,200-7350). But by her reporting $1150 as taxable scholarship, you can use the full $4000 of expenses.
Thanks for the reply. I really appreciate the support. This is like Greek to me 🙂
To answer one of your questions, I have not finished my taxes yet, so I have not claimed the American Opportunity credit on my taxes yet.
So I looked online on the school site and they have a little more of the 1009-T broken down, but it really doesn't tell me exactly what it applied to. I apologize for the length. Below is a breakdown of what is listed:
Detail of Payments Received:
Winter Term 2020
Term Total: $5,489
Fall Term 2019
Term Total: $16,082.76
Detail of Charges Billed:
Winter Term 2020
Term Total: $11,616.44
Fall Term 2019
Term Total: $11,597.44
Summer Term 2019
Total For All Terms: $23,073.88
Detail of Scholarships or Grants
Winter Term 2020
Term Total: $3,675
Fall Term 2019
Term Total: $3,675
Total For All Terms: $7,350
Hopefully this all makes sense 🙂 Just to be exact:
1099-T
1099-Q
If you provide your room & board and book & other course materials expenses (including computers), I can give you a more exact amount. These usually won't be on the school's billing statements. I don't need all that break down of what's already on the 1098-T.
Room & board are qualified expenses for a 529 plan distribution, even If she lived off campus, even at home. You may count the lesser of your actual cost or the school's R&B charge to on campus students.
Another frequently asked question is which total counts; the $23,071.88 or $21,711.76. Usually just the amount in box 1 of the 1098-T. But the other rule is: all fees that are "required for attendance".
The school provide us a 2019-2020 Financial Aid Award before my daughter started school. I don't know exactly how much or how accurate this is, but this is what it said. I'm not sure where to find what the other exact amounts are.
Estimated Cost of Attendance
This is for one term. There are there terms total (Fall, Winter and Spring)
Here's your pertinent numbers:
1099-T
1099-Q
Room & Board $12,306 (4102 x 3) You can't use the school's estimates for books.
Plugging your numbers into my previous example:
Example:
$34,018 in educational expenses(21,712 + 12,306)including room & board)
-$7350 paid by tax free scholarship
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$22,668 Can be used against the 1099-Q
Since your 529 plan distribution was only $10,200, none of the $2306 earnings is taxable. Rather than trying to navigate the TT interview, just don't enter the 1099-Q, at all. Not on your return, not on her return.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
On your return, you claim the American Opportunity Credit. Enter only the 1098-T; no other amounts.
Thanks for this. So just to confirm, when TT asks me if she has a 1099-Q, I should say NO.
Q. So just to confirm, when TT asks me if she has a 1099-Q, I should say NO.
A. That is correct, say no.
Thank you for this. Appreciate your time.
Hello...one more question...I was just trying to understand...so I'm going to say no and not report the 1099-Q on my daughters return, but I should report the 1099-T on my return...correct? Can you explain why I should do this when the form is in her name. Just want to make sure I'm not double dipping. Thanks.
The tuition credit goes with the student's dependency. If you claim her as a dependent, then only can claim the tuition credit. The IRS requires that you report that she (the student) received a 1098-T, so you "enter" the 1098-T on your return.
In actuality, the 1098-T is only any informational document. You claim the tuition credit, , based on your own financial records. You are only entering the 1098-T in TurboTax, to get it to check the right box on form 8863.
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