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Hal_Al
Level 15

1099-Q and 1098-T Question

Since he provides more than half his own support with earned income, form 8615 ("kiddie tax") does not apply.  It's probably still there from before. Try deleting it. 

 

Delete form instructions https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/3139989-how-do-i-get-rid-of-my-form-8615

1099-Q and 1098-T Question

Sorry.  I deleted the Form 8615 as it's no longer relevant since I am not claiming him as a dependent.

 

Looks like he's now getting $1,000 in AOC (Form 8863) and a $400 College Tuition credit on his NYS taxes.  Only a bit concerned as the 1099-Q is not on his return anymore and it's from the NYS 529 Plan.  Seems they are asking about it in the NYS section.

Hal_Al
Level 15

1099-Q and 1098-T Question

I'm not specifically familiar with NY, other than having seen a few post in this forum.  I think NY only wants it if some is taxable (some recovery of previous deductions thing).  It may be left over from previous entries.  Or you may just need to answer no. 

 

"Looks like he's now getting $1,000 in AOC (Form 8863)".

No. With $26K income, he should be getting more. There are two parts on form 8863 for the refundable and non refundable portions of the AOC.  The refundable portion goes to line 29 of form 1040 and the non refundable to line 20

1099-Q and 1098-T Question

Got it.  Looking at the return, Line 20 is $1,217 and line 29 is $1,000 so the credit is actually $2,217 total.  This all looks right now from what you have been saying. 

 

I am no longer getting any errors while running the error check, and Turbotax tells me it OK to file electronically so I guess I won't worry about the NYS since it's not asking for anything.  I did opt in for Audit Defense in any case, so hoping I won't need to use it!

 

Thank you, thank you, thank you!  This has been so confusing and you have been wonderfully patient.

 

Amy M
New Member

1099-Q and 1098-T Question

I have a question along the same lines while trying to prepare my sister's return. Her adult son, age 29, has gone back to school to finish his education. My sister is the owner of the Coverdell IRA, and the distributions went to her. She then paid his expenses. She received the 1099Q. The 1098T went to her adult son with his ssn. I'm confused about how to report the 1099Q info when the 1098T went to him. Is this going to be an issue?

Hal_Al
Level 15

1099-Q and 1098-T Question

Q. I'm confused about how to report the 1099Q info when the 1098T went to him. Is this going to be an issue?

A. No, but there will be a need to do some sharing of information between them, for tax reporting.  

 

I assume you meant Coverdell ESA (not IRA). I also assume her son was the beneficiary of the ESA. 

 

There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

  1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
  2. Use them to claim an education credit
  3. Allocate them to the ESA distribution (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B on campus charge. If he lives at home, the school’s R&B “allowance for cost of attendance” for student living with parents.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Is the parent or student  trying to claim the tuition credit (are they eligible, income under $90K, $180K Married filing jointly)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?
  • Is the student a degree candidate attending school half time or more?
  • How many times before has the American Opportunity Credit been claimed on the student's education, in the past

 

 

Amy M
New Member

1099-Q and 1098-T Question

Sorry, I was typing too quickly and made mistakes. Yes, Coverdell ESA where the parent is the owner and the adult son is the beneficiary. Since her son is 29yo (and not special needs), he cannot be claimed as a dependent on her return.

Hal_Al
Level 15

1099-Q and 1098-T Question

Q. Since her son is 29yo (and not special needs), he cannot be claimed as a dependent on her return.

A. Not necessarily.  

There are two types of dependents, "Qualifying Children"(QC) and Other ("Qualifying Relative" [QR] in IRS parlance even though they don't have to actually be related). There is no income limit for a QC but there is an age limit, student status, a relationship test and residence test.

Because, he is over, he cannot be a QC.  He can still be a QR, but there is an income limit, of $5050 for the year. 

The support test is different for each type. The support test, for a QC, is only that the child didn't provide more than half his own support. The support test for a Qualifying Relative is that the taxpayer provided more than half the relative's support.

 

But, assuming he won't be a dependent, the 1099-Q will go on her return, if needed. Most likely, she can just not report it, depending on the QEE numbers and how they are allocated. 

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions, including ESAs

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529/ESA plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the parent's return, the 1098-T should go on the student's return, so he can claim the education credit. 

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets mom an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows him to claim the tuition credit regardless of whose money was used to pay the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529/ESA plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. 

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

There is  $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. A student, with no other income, can have up to $14,600 of taxable scholarship (in 2024) and still pay no income tax. 

Amy M
New Member

1099-Q and 1098-T Question

Thank you.  That answered my question.  (I understand the QC and QR requirements, and he doesn't meet either one. I was just trying to keep my question brief.)

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