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I started an LLC with my spouse in 2022. I upgraded to TurboTax Self-Employed but I'm not sure if that is the product I should be using. I am not sure how to record our business income and expenses. We are technically not a sole-proprietorship since we are both owners, but we live in LA and that might allow us to file taxes as a sole-proprietor anyway? Either way, I don't see how to fill out Schedule C in that product.

Is the Live Help useful? I tried calling the primary support line and it was awful. The person was so quiet and mumbling it sounded like they were talking in their sleep. I would also consider paying for TurboTax to do my taxes for me this year if it would then be set up properly for me to update next year. Does anyone know if that's how it works? Thanks in advance for any help!

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Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

If you reside in California (or any community property state), you can each file a separate Schedule C rather than a Form 1065 (partnership return) so Self-Employed should work fine for your purposes.

 

You should see some sort of "business tab" on the left side of the screen in Self-Employed.

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Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

If you reside in California (or any community property state), you can each file a separate Schedule C rather than a Form 1065 (partnership return) so Self-Employed should work fine for your purposes.

 

You should see some sort of "business tab" on the left side of the screen in Self-Employed.

Carl
Level 15

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

It's not like you learn this stuff through osmosis. At least you are able to admit you don't know what you're doing. Being your first year of business, you really should seek professional help with a local tax professional yesterday, if not sooner. Partnerships and above can get complicated. When state taxes are involved, that more than doubles the potential complication. Please seek professional help ASAP for at least your first year of business. After that, if you feel comfortable tacking 2nd year taxes and beyond, by all means go for it.

But for a business in it's first year, even the tiniest of mistakes can (and will) grow exponentially over the years. Then when you catch that mistake (usually the year you close or sell the business) the cost of fixing it *will* be expensive.  Here's a short and *very* basic list of the different business types.

Sole Proprietorship – This is a business with one owner, and only own owner. There are no other investors or share holders. This type of business is considered a “disregarded entity” by the IRS. All income and expenses for the business are reported on SCH C as a physical part of the owner’s personal tax return. Again, a sole proprietorship has only own owner. Depending on what state the business is in, registration is not required at the state level. But it may be required at the county, town, or other level of government below the state. For example, your county may require you to register and obtain a county issued Occupational License, which authorizes you to conduct business only within the jurisdiction of the authority that issued the Occupational License. This is most often required when the county, city or other authority below the state taxes personal income or imposes a tangible property tax on business assets utilized to produce business income.

Single Member LLC - This is a business with one owner, and only own owner. There are no other investors or share holders. This type of business is considered a “disregarded entity” by the IRS. All income and expenses for the business are reported  on SCH C as a physical part of the owner’s personal tax return. Again, a single member LLC has only own owner. This type of business is required to be registered at the state level, weather that state taxes personal income or not.  Additionally, this type of business may also be required to obtain an Occupational License for the county(s), city(s) or other more localized jurisdictions within that state, in which the business will be operating in.

Multi-Member LLC – This is a business with more than one owner.  It’s also the exact same as a Partnership (for tax purposes) This type of business also has to register at the state level, and may also be required to obtain an Occupational License from more localized jurisdictions within the state, in which that business will operate.  This type of business will file its own physically separate tax return with the IRS (and state if applicable) referred to as a Partnership Return, on IRS Form 1065. When completing the 1065 (using TurboTax Business) the business will issue each individual owner a K-1 reporting the income (or loss) of each owner. Each owner will use this K-1 to complete their personal return. So an owner can’t even start their personal return, until after the 1065 Partnership Return has been complete, filed, and all K-1’s issued to all owners.

In the community property states of Louisiana, Arizona, California, Texas, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, and Wisconsin if you have a multi-member LLC where there are only two owners, those two owners are legally married to each other, and those two owners will be filing a joint 1040 tax return, they have the option of splitting all business income and expenses down the middle and each partner reporting their share of the business income/expenses on a separate SCH C for each tax filer on the joint return. That means your joint 1040 return will have two SCH C’s included with it – one for each owner. But this can present its own problems in the event of divorce, separation. The issues can become even more compounded upon the death of one of the owners. If that deceased owner’s will does not pass all assets to the surviving partner, then that surviving partner can find themselves in a tax hell, not to mention the problems that can arise with the “new” owner or owners.

LLC “Like an S-Corp” – For tax purposes only (and I reiterate: FOR TAX PURPOSES ONLY!!!!!) one can elect to have the IRS treat their single member LLC or multi-member LLC “like an S-Corp” ****FOR TAX PURPOSES ONLY!!!!!****  This means your business is treated like and considered to be a physically separate taxable entity. This is accomplished by filing IRS Form 2553 – Election by Small Business Corporation. This allows you to act as if your single member LLC or multi-member LLC is an S-Corp. But understand that if you want the IRS to treat your LLC like an S-Corp, then the business “must” act like an S-Corp, and follow all the laws, rules and regulations required of an S-Corp by whichever state your LLC is registered in. All business income and expenses is reported on IRS Form 1120-S – Income Tax Return For An S-Corporation. The S-Corp will then issue each owner, investor and/or shareholder a K-1 which they will need before they can even start their personal tax return.  Unlike a single member LLC which is considered a disregarded entity for tax purposes, an LLC that has filed form 2553  “is” considered and treated like a separately taxable entity.

LLC “Like a C-Corp” – For tax purposes only (and I reintereate: FOR TAX PURPOSES ONLY!!!!!) one can elect to the the IRS treat their single member LLC or multi-member LLC “like a C-Corp” ****FOR TAX PURPOSES ONLY!!!!!**** This means your business is treated like and considered to be a physically separate taxable entity. This is accomplished by filing IRS Form 8832 – Entity Classification Election. This allows you to act as if your single member LLC or multi-member LLC is a Corp. But understand that if you want the IRS to treat your LLC like a C-Corp, then the business “must” act like a C-Corp and follow all the laws, reules and reguations required of a C-Corp by whichever state your LLC is registered in. All business income and expenses is reported on IRS Form 1120 – IU.S. Corporation Income Tax Return.

S-Corp – This type of business is registered at the state level and must conform to the laws, rules, regulations and ordinances of that state which apply to an S-Corp. All business income and expenses is reported on IRS Form 1120-S – Income Tax Return For An S-Corp.  The S-Corp will then issue each owner, investor and/or shareholder a K-1 which they will need before they can even start their personal tax return.  Unlike an LLC which is considered a disregarded entity for tax purposes, an S-Corp  “is” a separately taxable entity, and therefore files its own physically separate tax return and issues K-1’s to all owners, officers, investors and shareholders.

C-Corp - This type of business is registered at the state level and must conform to the laws, rules, regulations and ordinances of that state which apply to a C-Corp. All business income and expenses is reported on IRS Form 1120 – Income Tax Return For A C-Corp.   A C-Corp  “is” a separately taxable entity, and therefore files its own physically separate tax return.

 

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business


@Carl wrote:

Partnerships and above can get complicated. 


@ericmfletcher stated that the LLC members were two spouses who reside in L.A, and, as a result, they can opt out of partnership treatment and file on two separate Schedules C, which should not be an overly complicated matter.

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

I actually meant LA the state, but @Carl 's advice applies to Louisiana as well.

I completely understand if I should get professional help in my first year. That's why I had the added questions of whether TurboTax's Live Help feature would be sufficient, or alternatively, could I just pay to have TurboTax do it the first year so that in subsequent years I will get prompts that will follow what was set up for 2022. Any advice on that?

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

As it happens, this is the first year TurboTax is offering assistance with Partnership (LLC) returns in conjunction with TurboTax Business.

 

See https://turbotax.intuit.com/personal-taxes/online/live/full-service/business-taxes

 

The above link is for Full Service. TurboTax plans to offer an "assisted" product this tax season (at a price, obviously, less than Full Service).

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

In Carl's post it stated:

In the community property states of Louisiana. . .  if you have a multi-member LLC where there are only two owners, those two owners are legally married to each other, and those two owners will be filing a joint 1040 tax return, they have the option of splitting all business income and expenses down the middle and each partner reporting their share of the business income/expenses on a separate SCH C for each tax filer on the joint return. That means your joint 1040 return will have two SCH C’s included with it – one for each owner.

Isn't that stating I can do two 50/50 schedule C's instead of the 1065? Would that also let me stay in self-employed instead of using Business?

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

@ericmfletcher That is correct, Louisiana is a community property state and, as a result, you can file two Schedule Cs. There is no need for TurboTax Business nor to file a 1065. You can use Self-Employed.

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

Thank you so much for all of your help!

Carl
Level 15

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

I completely understand if I should get professional help in my first year. That's why I had the added questions of whether TurboTax's Live Help feature would be sufficient, or alternatively, could I just pay to have TurboTax do it the first year

This is just me. But if I were in that situation I'd want to pay a local tax professional that has a few years of experience with federal and state issues for my particular state.  I also want someone with the "heart of a teacher" that's willing to educate me on my specific and explicit setup and situation. On top of that, I want it to be a human that I can physically see, talk to and shake their hand. That way, if there's any issues, "I know where you live".

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

This is just me, @ericmfletcher, but I believe you can do a couple of basic Schedule Cs without encountering a lot of issues (a 1065 would be another matter).

 

Note that you can always upgrade to Live Assisted with Self-Employed.

 

https://turbotax.intuit.com/personal-taxes/online/live

Help Choosing Which Product for Small Business

Hey there! Congrats on starting your LLC with your spouse, that's awesome! I know this thread is a bit old, but I still wanted to share my 2 cents. I totally get how confusing it can be to figure out which product to use for your small business taxes. Have you considered reaching out to financial independent advisors for some guidance at https://www.successionresource.com? They might be able to help you figure out which product would be best for your specific situation. As for TurboTax, I've used it before and found the Live Help to be pretty useful. It might be worth giving it another shot and see if you get someone more helpful this time around. And yes, you can definitely pay for TurboTax to do your taxes for you this year and then update it next year. Good luck!

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