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Can deduct business expenses even if your start-up business has NO revenue?

I've been training 4 hours a day for over a year to trade FX... have fees and a computer system purchase, etc.  Haven't made any money yet.  Spent most of that time trading in a Simulator and demo-trading...
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Coleen3
Intuit Alumni

Can deduct business expenses even if your start-up business has NO revenue?

You can deduct start up expenses but education that trains you for a new job is not deductible.

Startup costs come from investigating the creation or acquisition of an active trade or business. They are paid or incurred before the business opens its door.

Examples include:

 - Market research

 - Travel costs

 - Salaries

 - Consulting fees

 - Accounting and legal fees

 - Pre-opening advertising expenses, and

 - Overhead

How these expenses are handled:

Start-Up Expenses are reported in aggregate - one amount equal to the total of all expenses incurred. For active business activities, these costs are entered either under Assets/Depreciation or under Business Expenses depending...

Per IRS Pub 535 Business Start-Up and Organizational Costs: "Business start-up and organizational costs are generally capital expenditures. However, you can elect to deduct up to $5,000 of business start-up and $5,000 of organizational costs paid or incurred after October 22, 2004. The $5,000 deduction is reduced by the amount your total start-up or organizational costs exceed $50,000. Any remaining costs must be amortized."

As long as your start-up expenses are less than $5000, you can add them as Business Expenses. Continue past the expense categories (or choose Other Miscellaneous Expenses) to the page titled "Enter Business Expenses Not Yet Reported" and enter the description & amount (see screenshots below - click to enlarge).


Topic 513 - Work-Related Education Expenses

You may be able to deduct work-related education expenses paid during the year. To be deductible, your expenses must be for education that (1) maintains or improves your job skills or (2) that your employer or a law requires to keep your salary, status, or job. However, even if the education meets either of these tests, the education can't be part of a program that will qualify you for a new trade or business or that you need to meet the minimal educational requirements of your trade or business.

Although the education must relate to your present work, education expenses incurred during temporary absence from your job may also be deductible. After your temporary absence, you must return to the same kind of work. Usually, absence from work for one year or less is considered temporary.

Expenses that you can deduct include:

  • Tuition, books, supplies, lab fees, and similar items
  • Certain transportation and travel costs, and
  • Other educational expenses, such as the cost of research and typin

Can deduct business expenses even if your start-up business has NO revenue?

So... without revenue it is by definition a "start-up" AND many expenses of an ongoing/revenue-generating business cannot be deducted (despite the fact that I've paid them)?
Coleen3
Intuit Alumni

Can deduct business expenses even if your start-up business has NO revenue?

Can you give me an example?

Can deduct business expenses even if your start-up business has NO revenue?

Coleen did not answer your question, did she? From what I understand, you have to start operating as a business to take a start up deduction. To be safe, I had product partially ready before the end of my tax year and had a friend buy the product and put it into my accounting because there is "no specific amount of gross income that you must meet for your expenses to become deductible".  
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