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Hello, I wish someone might shed some light on this...
In my 2018 return it showed that my husband had an excess contribution of $2,225. I tried to figure out what I had done wrong but couldn't, so I filed the return. This was the total contribution to the HSA.
I had to pay taxes and a penalty on this. This year I filed my 2019 form and it showed that I had this excess contribution from 2018 in form 5329 but the bottom line did not change. My husband does not have an HSA anymore. Somehow now he's got an FSA and balance is 00. All used for medical expenses.
This has always bugged me, so I did a bit of research and sure enough I now find that if you don't answer some questions right, TurboTax did not input the $4,450 deduction in line 3 of form 8889. Therefore, the calculation is wrong and it assumes this is excess contribution and it is brought forward as other income to schedule 1.
I just did an amendment for 2018.
I tried amending 2019 and this contribution is still showing up in form 5329 because it's asking me how much we contributed in 2018?. I did change the excess contribution to 0 from 2018. As there is no change to bottom line I'm not sure if I should be amending or wait to see if IRS fixes this after working on my 2018 amendment?? Also, am I doing something weird that I'm being asked what the contribution was for 2018?
Thanks!!!
Thanks for any help.
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“and it showed that I had this excess contribution from 2018 in form 5329 but the bottom line did not change. My husband does not have an HSA anymore. Somehow now he's got an FSA and balance is 00.”
The 6% penalty for carrying over an excess HSA contribution to the next year is actually 6% of the smaller of the carryover or the balance in the HSA at the end of the tax year. If your husband had spent all the money in the HSA so the balance was zero on 12/31/2019, then the penalty would have been 6% of 0, which, of course is zero.
This explains, I believe, why you did not notice a change to 2019.
If you found where you entered things wrong in 2018 and amended it (good), the carryover excess contributions may or may not still be there. There is a carryover worksheet on which various carryovers are ported from one year to the next.
Off hand, I am not sure if amending the 2018 return will change that worksheet. What I am sure of, though, is that if you had previously created your 2019 return by importing your 2018 data and THEN you amended your 2018 return, then any changes from 2018 will not carry to 2019 unless you start 2019 all over again by reimporting the 2018 data into the 2019 return.
“I did change the excess contribution to 0 from 2018.”
I am not sure where you changed this. Did you answer “NO” to the question asking if you “overfunded” your HSA in 2018? If indeed you did not really overfund your HSA in 2018 and therefore could not have carried the excess over to 2019, then answering “NO” was the correct answer.
It is likely from what I see that you did your 2019 return correctly. If the HSA balance on 12/31/2019 was zero (as I think it was), then you did not owe a penalty for 2019. Indeed, if the HSA balance was zero on 12/31/2018, then you would not have owed a penalty for 2018, as I noted above.
“Also, am I doing something weird that I'm being asked what the contribution was for 2018?”
I think that you are referring to a series of questions that follow the question, “What type of High Deductible Health Plan (HDHP) did [name] have on December 1, 2018?”
If your husband had an HSA on December 1, 2018, then he may have taken advantage of the last-month rule in 2018. The last-month rule states that if you had HDHP coverage in the last month of the year (remember that coverage is determined by the first day of the month), then you are allowed to use the full annual HSA contribution limit, no matter how few months you had HDHP coverage that year.
The only trick is that if you do this, you must stay under HDHP coverage for the next year (2019), or your contribution limit is retroactively set back to what it would have been had you done the month by month calculation.
I am assuming that your husband had HDHP coverage (Self or Family) on 12/1/2018. So you answered that question with “Family” or “Self” whichever was appropriate. By this point, since your husband did not show HDHP coverage for 2019 (he had the FSA), TurboTax assumes that he may have used the last-month rule in 2018 and had a lapse in coverage in 2019.
The way you deal with that is to answer the questions in the screens that follow – which indeed includes questions about your contributions in 2018. If it turns out that you did not contribute any more that what you would have been allowed using the limit calculated on a month-by-month basis (instead of the full year), then TurboTax will tell you that you owe no additional penalty and that will be the end of it.
So, yes, based on what I see of your story, it makes perfect sense that you would be asked about contributions in 2018.
Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my question!
Yes, I did file 2019 before doing the 2018 amendment, so definitely when I filed 2019 it still showed I had an HSA excess as my data got transferred to 2019 as originally filed.
And you are right, I did not get charged additional taxes for 2019 because the ending balance in 2019 in the account was 0...I guess my concern was because when it tries to calculate if you do owe additional taxes, part of the calculation is that it used the 2018 excess in form 5329(lines 42,46,48). I didn't know if I should amend because those lines show the excess. I think after your explanation since the bottom line is zero... I am just going to let it be and hope nothing else comes of this...
Thanks again for your time!!
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