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Vehicle Purchase

well i just iting the code

30D (a)

(a)Allowance of credit
There shall be allowed as a credit against the tax imposed by this chapter for the taxable year an amount equal to the sum of the credit amounts determined under subsection (b) with respect to each new clean vehicle placed in service by the taxpayer during the taxable year.

and then there's 30D (f)

(f)Special rules
(1)Basis reduction
For purposes of this subtitle, the basis of any property for which a credit is allowable under subsection (a) shall be reduced by the amount of such credit so allowed (determined without regard to subsection (c)).

(2)No double benefit
The amount of any deduction or other credit allowable under this chapter for a vehicle for which a credit is allowable under subsection (a) shall be reduced by the amount of credit allowed under such subsection for such vehicle (determined without regard to subsection (c))

 

 

maybe i'm missing someyhing/. 

Vehicle Purchase


@Mike9241 wrote:

 

 

maybe i'm missing someyhing/. 


No, it's right there.  The basis is reduced by the credit.  

Vehicle Purchase


@Opus 17 wrote:
No, it's right there.  The basis is reduced by the credit.  

This is also right in the TurboTax Guidance. 

 

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@as744 wrote:

So does that mean I subtract the ev credit amount from the initial cost of the car before calculating depreciation?


Yes, your basis for depreciation is the net price after the credit.

Vehicle Purchase

Hi this is in reply to the the above question regarding the standard deduction versus actual expenses method. The solution says, "You can only use actual expenses if you used this method THE VERY FIRST YEAR you placed the car into service." 

OK, I have a WHAT IF:

So I placed my car into service in 2019 for my sole proprietorship. I'm sure I've taken the standard deduction....not sure how to double check that tho. But at the time that I got the car, it was A LEASE. So this year, we bought out the lease only because car prices had jumped 100% a long with everything else. Never the less, we paid a hefty tax and license fee, and our loan interest is higher because there was no special APR rate on lease buy out. In fact, the fees were so high that the purchase was back up nearly to the original lease amount, but this time financed as a purchase. I want to be able to claim all of that since I did it in January I financed it and then I had to reregister the car again because the expiration was up in June. I also paid a ticket, went to traffic school, and renewed a driver's license. 2023 was a rough one, and inflation in CA tripled our overall cost of living. All tips anyone has are greatly welcomed! 

Vehicle Purchase

@mygiftconsult 

You need to start by carefully reading chapter 4 of IRS publication 463.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p463.pdf

 

At least one of the experts you quoted was mistaken.  The statement "You can only use actual expenses if you used this method THE VERY FIRST YEAR you placed the car into service" is incorrect, it is actually the opposite.  The IRS states 

 

If you want to use the standard mileage rate for a car you own, you must choose to use it in the first year the car is available for use in your business. Then, in later years, you can choose to use either the standard mileage rate or actual expenses.

 

The IRS also states

If you want to use the standard mileage rate for a car you lease, you must use it for the entire lease period.

 

Assuming you used the standard mileage method in 2019, then you were required to use the standard mileage method for 2020-2022.  However, if you bought the car off lease in 2023, then you may use the actual expense method for 2023.  If the vehicle is not used 100% for business, the actual expense method requires that you keep track of all your business mileage, your total mileage, and all your expenses (fuel, repairs, maintenance, interest, depreciation, registration fees).  You deduct the percentage of total expenses corresponding to the percentage of business use.  If your mileage log shows you used the car 60% for business, you can deduct 60% of the expenses.  Note that if you are audited, and can't prove your expenses (such as, you don't have all your gas receipts) you may lose the deduction. 

 

The purchase price of the car is not a deductible expense.  Instead, you claim depreciation based on the cost.  That's how you recover the purchase price.  You can include interest on the loan (subject to the business percentage rule) but you must be able to separate the interest portion of the payment from the purchase price portion of the payment.  Sales tax is included in the purchase price and depreciated.  Registration fees, license plate fee, etc. may be expensed, subject to the percentage rule. 

 

Your problem will be determining the correct basis for depreciation.  When you leased the car, you essentially "bought" the first 25% or 50% of the car.  This should be specified in your lease agreement.  Let's say that was $20,000.  Then, for 2019-2022 you used the standard mileage method for your car expenses.  The standard mileage method includes about 27¢ per mile for depreciation (although the exact figure varies from year to year).  Let's say that over 4 years you claimed 50,000 business miles, so that's $13,500 of depreciation, so your adjusted cost basis is now $6,500.  Then, you paid another $22,000 including sales tax to buy the second half of the car.  Your basis is now $28,500.  That's how you must calculate your current cost basis so you can calculate the amount of depreciation you can claim as an expense on your 2023 tax return.   If you can't prove your prior mileage (because you don't have records), then any deduction for depreciation could be disallowed if audited. 

 

You may want professional assistance this year if you really want to use the actual expense method, to get the calculation right.  Remember that with the standard mileage method, the only thing you have to prove if audited is your business miles, usually from a diary, log book or expense tracking app.  If you want to use the actual expense method, you must be able to prove every expense, along with all your business mileage, and also prove your prior business mileage deductions.  

 

Fines for breaking the law are never deductible business expenses (such as a speeding ticket), neither would be traffic school to get your license back.  If you are a commercial driver and a CDL is required for your business, you can probably deduct the additional cost of a CDL renewal compared to the cost of a standard drivers license.  

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