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nas2
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Looking for Guidance on Wash Sales and MTM Next Year

Hi there,

 

Well I have what looks like a large IRS bill this year because of quite bit of trading activity and wash sales.

 

I have go through some of the discussions and it seems like that for 2022 taxes I will have to report on capital gains and loss basis and eat up the disallowed wash sale loss. 

 

And that in order to get the MTM status I should need to file election 475 so that for 2023 taxes that will be filed in 2024 - I can be treated as a day trader and mark to market my transactions and have ordinary losses.

 

q1. Is there anything else that I need to submit in order to get the day trader status?

 

My broker has told me that even though if I get the day trader status the mark to market will be effect for them once I report the day trader status approval from IRS. So mark to market treatment will start perhaps in may or june when I get a positive response from IRS. Broker statement will not reflect mark to market for previous transactions in the year.

 

q2. in the next year for 2023 how would I treat the entire year's transaction with Mark to market? or am I stuck with reporting half the year using the capital gains method and half the year using mark to market?

 

q3. is there anything else beside 475 election that I need to file along with my tax return to get the mark to market treatment and day trader status?

 

this is super confusing and no one talks about this - this is a huge problem.

 

great appreciate your help!!

 

thank you

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Looking for Guidance on Wash Sales and MTM Next Year

Traders
Special rules apply if you're a trader in securities, in the business of buying and selling securities for your own account. The law considers this to be a business, even though a trader doesn't maintain an inventory and doesn't have customers. To be engaged in business as a trader in securities, you must meet all of the following conditions:

You must seek to profit from daily market movements in the prices of securities and not from dividends, interest, or capital appreciation;
Your activity must be substantial; and
You must carry on the activity with continuity and regularity.
The following facts and circumstances should be considered in determining if your activity is a securities trading business:

Typical holding periods for securities bought and sold;
The frequency and dollar amount of your trades during the year;
The extent to which you pursue the activity to produce income for a livelihood; and
The amount of time you devote to the activity.
If the nature of your trading activities doesn't qualify as a business, you're considered an investor and not a trader. It doesn't matter whether you call yourself a trader or a day trader, you're an investor. A taxpayer may be a trader in some securities and may hold other securities for investment. The special rules for traders don't apply to those securities held for investment. A trader must keep detailed records to distinguish the securities held for investment from the securities in the trading business. The securities held for investment must be identified as such in the trader's records on the day he or she acquires them (for example, by holding them in a separate brokerage account).

Traders report their business expenses on Schedule C (Form 1040 or 1040-SR), Profit or Loss from Business (Sole Proprietorship). Commissions and other costs of acquiring or disposing of securities aren't deductible but must be used to figure gain or loss upon disposition of the securities. See Topic No. 703, Basis of Assets. Gains and losses from selling securities from being a trader aren't subject to self-employment tax.

The Mark-to-Market Election
If a trader makes a timely mark-to-market election, then he or she can treat the gains and losses from sales of securities as ordinary gains and losses (except for securities held for investment - see above) that must be reported on Part II of Form 4797, Sales of Business Property. Neither the limitations on capital losses nor the wash sale rules apply to traders using the mark-to-market method of accounting.

A trader must make the mark-to-market election by the original due date (not including extensions) of the tax return for the year prior to the year for which the election becomes effective. You can make the election by attaching a statement either to your income tax return if filed without an extension or to a request for an extension of time to file your return. The statement should include the following information:

That you're making an election under section 475(f);
The first tax year for which the election is effective (that is, the tax year for which a timely election is being made); and
The trade or business for which you're making the election.
Refer to the Instructions for Schedule D (Form 1040 or 1040-SR), Capital Gains and Losses PDF for more information on how to make the mark-to-market election. It's important to note that in general, late section 475(f) elections aren't allowed.

After making the election to change to the mark-to-market method of accounting, you must change your method of accounting for securities under Revenue Procedure 2022-14, Section 24.01. In addition to making the election, you'll also be required to file a Form 3115, Application for Change in Accounting Method. Publication 550 describes the procedures for making an election under the section called "Special Rules for Traders in Securities." Non-filing of the Form 3115 mentioned above won't invalidate a timely and valid election.

If you've made a valid election under section 475(f), the only way to stop using mark-to-market accounting for securities is to file an automatic request for revocation under Revenue Procedure 2022-43, Section 24.02. Under that revenue procedure, the request for revocation must be filed by the original due date of the return (without regard to extensions) for the taxable year preceding the year of change (the year of change is the first taxable year the revocation is to be effective). This revocation notification statement must be attached to either that return or if applicable, to a request for extension of time to file that return. Late revocations won't generally be allowed except in unusual and compelling circumstances.

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the 475(f) election if made is effective on day 1 of the following year.   Revenue Procedure 2022-14, Section 24.01. approval is generally automatic so there might not be any letter or notification from the IRS.

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your tax basis in the trading securities at the beginning of the year is their tax basis. at year-end you report as sold at market value all the trading securities held. 

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no one talks about this! just search the web using 475 or 475(f)

GeorgeM777
Expert Alumni

Looking for Guidance on Wash Sales and MTM Next Year

Question 1 - No; however, a trader must make the mark-to-market election by the original due date (not including extensions) of the tax return for the year prior to the year for which the election becomes effective.  In other words, if you wanted to elect MtM for tax year 2023, such election is due (no extensions allowed) by the due date for your 2022 tax return.  You can make the election by attaching a statement either to your income tax return if filed without an extension or to a request for an extension of time to file your return. The statement should include the following information:

 

  1. That you're making an election under section 475(f);
  2. The first tax year for which the election is effective (that is, the tax year for which a timely election is being made); and
  3. The trade or business for which you're making the election.  

Question 2 - The IRS does not approve or disapprove a trader's initial MtM election.  Once you make the election, if you later decide to terminate such election, then you must notify the IRS in writing.  You can find out more about revoking your MtM election by reviewing Revenue Procedure 2022-14, Section 24.02.  

 

Regarding your MtM trading activities, it is usually recommended that traders have one account for MtM trading, and other accounts that are limited to investments.  Separating your trading activities into separate accounts makes your accounting and tax reporting much less complicated.  Because the statement you file with the IRS electing MtM is due with your tax return, such election is effective at the beginning of the tax year.  

 

Question 3 - Additionally, for securities traders who have elected mark-to-market accounting (Section 475(f) of the Internal Revenue Code) IRS instructions for Form 4797 provide that the security trader must attach a statement to their return using the same format as line 10, showing the details of each transaction. Moreover, the statement must separately show and identify securities or commodities held and marked to market at the end of the year.  TurboTax does not support the creation or importation of the trader's statement.  Thus, you will need to separately prepare your statement and attach it to your return. Your completed return will need to be paper mailed to the IRS.  

 

@nas2 

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