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Questions regarding large expenses in the first year of LLC

 

Apologies for the long post. I have contacted multiple accountants and tax experts with diverging views on my business developments. Around 5 people were contacted, 4 considered my case ordinary and legit in the eyes of IRS. One has raised concern. So I decided to post here and get some final thoughts. I have a computer science background and therefore StackExchange is a great friend 🙂

Background

I started two self employment businesses in 2020. One was on crypto mining, and the other on carpentry. I was hired as a postdoc in a university, receiving around 70k in W2. I have a Ph.D. in Artificial Intelligence and Robotics from a reputable university in the USA.

Here is a summary of my business experience. Year 2020: Crypto mining had income. Carpentry had income. Both were negative in profit. Year 2021: Crypto had income. Carpentry turned into software engineering gig with higher income than 2020. Crypto mining was profitable, software engineering was not. Both the years 2020 and 2021 were checked with TurboTax officers and got the go ahead.

My 2022 Case

Now in the year 2022, I have started receiving around 500k in W2 since May from a major tech company and 70k before May (postdoc at university). I started thinking about using the money I earn on building real businesses as pass-through sole proprietor LLC (Wyoming LLCs). One was continuation of my crypto mining business, which I invested around $100K money in buying some mining equipment as well as tools and other necessary business expenses (e.g. subletting the first floor of my house, out of 3, to my business). I have also created a robotics business which needed a lot of expensive equipment (around $150K). All in all, I have spent pretty much every penny I made on pushing these two businesses in 2022.

The crypto is making money in 2022, though not as much as one would hope due to bad economy. Still a formidable mining setup with tens of thousands of dollars in mined assets in 2022 that might balloon in the future. The business is holding on to the assets to sell at the right time. In short, no one can look at the company and say this company is not serious about the crypto mining business – especially since it has income. The reason for growing the business was to offset the electricity costs by turning solar. So a large investment was needed.

The robotics company currently has a prototype system of a set of intelligent pet toys that engage pets when the owners are away using AI to produce maximum playfulness in cats and dogs. However, the prototypes will probably be sellable in Q1 or Q2 of 2023. Now for those who know robotics, $150k is nothing in first-year expenses, even if you are talking about pet toys. There are equipment needed for training AI systems, including super computers each costing around $20k (the low end of such equipment, they can go up to $500k for a single machine). Think about it this way, if I were to open a contracting company to build houses, that expense would be proportionally similar to having bought a few nailers and maybe a few saws. So pretty much a frugal start for a robotics company. I plan on developing other novelty household items such as state-of-the-art pool cleaners, vacuums and more, though only pet toy prototypes are planned for the end of 2022.

Prior to the end of the year, I am also planning on starting a manufacturing company to cover the needs of the crypto and robotics business as a separate entity (3d printing components, machining equipment for crypto solar panels, etc.). I have been planning to postpone this to the next year, but due to the needs of the other two businesses, I had to invest around $10K in 3d printers and a few CNC machines. It was supposed to start as a side job, but then I decided to turn this one into an LLC. The business has made income from the other two businesses and if you consider the services rendered in fair market price, it has made profit as well.

Final Thoughts

As far as I am concerned, these are legitimate businesses and business cases that I plan to develop and grow. I have even handed in my notice for quitting the job that makes me $500k per year to focus on these companies. I am concerned that IRS might object to me having spent every penny I earned in 2022 on development of my businesses. I intend to write off all my expenses on the form 1040 and reinvest my tax return in my businesses. Your opinion is appreciated. Also, if you know any accountants/tax lawyers who are experienced in starting tech companies, it is greatly appreciated.

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Questions regarding large expenses in the first year of LLC

see this link. i believe it parallels your robotics company. in conclusion, I would say all the robotic company expenses are start-up expenses subject to IRC 195 and therefore not currently deductible. 

https://www.withum.com/resources/its-a-question-of-genesis-when-does-a-business-begin-for-tax-purpos... 

you can skip most of it and limit the reading to the court's conclusion toward the end.

 

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