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Hurlba
Returning Member

American Opportunity TC

Hello, my daughter is no longer claimed as our dependent, and started a semester at college with 3 courses. 

She subsequently withdrew from one (with small portion of tuition refunded) and completed the 2 other classes.   Her 1098-T shows Box 8 checked for half-time or more.  We paid for the classes via 529B withdrawal. 

 

Am I able to (should I) claim the AOTC? 

If so, would I be required to pay taxes back on the 529 (seems messy).

And finally, where in TT can I change my answer to the question "can someone else claim you as a dependent"?

 

Thank you!!!

 

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Hal_Al
Level 15

American Opportunity TC

Q. Am I able to (should I) claim the AOTC? 

A. No, because she is not your dependent. But, you daughter can probably claim it on her return. It's a little iffy, but the TurboTax interview should be able to handle it. 

 

Q. If so, would I be required to pay taxes  on the 529 (seems messy)?

A. Maybe, but probably not.  Even though you used 529 money to pay tuition, at tax time you may allocate expenses to the various tax benefits.  The simple version: you allocate tuition to the AOTC and room & board to the 529 distribution. Even if a little tax is due on the 529, it's best to claim the AOTC. 

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

There is  $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

 

Q.  Where in TT can I change my answer to the question "can someone else claim you as a dependent?

A. In the personal info section, click edit next to the person's name.  That question will come up again, as you go thru the interview. 

 

 

Hurlba
Returning Member

American Opportunity TC

Thanks, Hal_Al!

 

Q. If so, would I be required to pay taxes  on the 529 (seems messy)?

A. Maybe, but probably not.  Even though you used 529 money to pay tuition, at tax time you may allocate expenses to the various tax benefits.  The simple version: you allocate tuition to the AOTC and room & board to the 529 distribution. Even if a little tax is due on the 529, it's best to claim the AOTC. 

Q.  She commuted to this college, so there is no room/board.  As I look at my 1099-Q, I see the distribution was $2,200, with just over $1,025 in earnings on it (hard to believe).  I'd have difficulty offsetting this with expenses such as books. Should I continue to pursue the credit in your opinion?  TT shows about $1,100 add'l refund if I take the credit. 

Hal_Al
Level 15

American Opportunity TC

There is always "board" even  if the student lives at home. "Room" is a little iffy, but usually some of that is allowed too.

But you are limited to the lesser of your actual costs or the school's "allowance for cost for attendance" for students living with parents. Most people just use the allowance, and don't bother trying to keep track of expenses.  It's usually available at the school's web site. 

The student must be half time or more. 

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