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I want to make a Roth Conversion from a traditional IRA. I don't want to have the taxes withheld. How do I pay the taxes?

I want to make a Roth Conversion from a traditional IRA. I don't want to have the taxes withheld from the conversion. How do I pay the taxes from my bank account so I don't get a penalty? I'm going to do this conversion in December, so I cant go back and do quarterly payments. I'm guessing I pay the taxes at the time of the conversion on the IRS website? Can anyone help with the process? I'm 69 years old, filing jointly. 

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I want to make a Roth Conversion from a traditional IRA. I don't want to have the taxes withheld. How do I pay the taxes?

If you don't have taxes withheld, you need to follow two steps.

1. Make an estimated payment at www.irs.gov/payments before January 15.

2. When preparing your tax return, enter the penalty interview (even if not automatically prompted) and prepare the penalty form 2210 using the "annualized income" method.  You will need to list your income and tax payments by quarter, and show the IRS that even though your tax payments were not evenly distributed over the year, they were appropriate for the amount of income you received in each quarter. 

 

You can also have the taxes withheld by making the conversion in two steps.

1. Make a direct rollover conversion with taxes withheld.

2. Within 60 days, send a payment to the Roth IRA custodian in the amount of the missing taxes, telling them this is also a conversion.

 

For example, to convert $10,000, you could directly convert $10,000 with $2000 withholding.  Then, within 60 days, send a check for $2000 to the Roth IRA telling them this is also a conversion.  (They don't need to know or care that it is part of the same conversion.)  In other words, since you have the $2000 on hand anyway to pay the tax, have the tax withheld and deposit the tax money as part of the conversion instead.  This removes the need for the annualized income method to avoid a penalty.

 

I want to make a Roth Conversion from a traditional IRA. I don't want to have the taxes withheld. How do I pay the taxes?

The last way you mentioned seems the easiest, but it sounds sketchy? Is that called a back door ROTH conversion? I don't know if Fidelity will allow that? Thanks for your great responses. 

Thanks again, Bill

I want to make a Roth Conversion from a traditional IRA. I don't want to have the taxes withheld. How do I pay the taxes?


@wchowe wrote:

The last way you mentioned seems the easiest, but it sounds sketchy? Is that called a back door ROTH conversion? I don't know if Fidelity will allow that? Thanks for your great responses. 

Thanks again, Bill


No, a back door Roth is something different.

 

It's not sketchy at all.  If you send a check to the Roth custodian and tell them "this is a rollover within the 60 day window" that's all they need to know.  They don't need to know the source (nor do they care).  On your tax return, you will report a 1099-R from the Traditional IRA, and Turbotax will ask "what did you do with the money."  You will say you converted it all to a Roth IRA, and Turbotax will assess the appropriate income tax (without the 10% penalty of course).  Basically, it's up to you to self-certify that you completed the rollover, and there is nothing wrong about completing the rollover with a separate check.  The IRS will have documentation from both custodians if they want to match things up (although there are some hints they don't actually do this routinely).  

I want to make a Roth Conversion from a traditional IRA. I don't want to have the taxes withheld. How do I pay the taxes?

Thanks for your reply. I have to think about this, I don't want any penalties. It seems the easiest way and the IRS gets their tax payment. 

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