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Double inherited IRA

Need help calculating my RMD for a double inherited IRA.  Is there a formula or calculator I can use to determine what I should take out. Any help would be appreciated my accountant did not understand when I asked him.

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Double inherited IRA

When did the original owner die, and when did the first beneficiary die? 

@dmertz 

Double inherited IRA

Original owner passed 5/13/16 and first beneficiary 1/21/2019.  Thank you in advance for the help!

Double inherited IRA

@Opus 17  see above Ty!!!

Double inherited IRA

@dmertz  can you assist with this calculation?

dmertz
Level 15

Double inherited IRA

In this case the SECURE Act changes do not apply because the first beneficiary died prior to 2020.  Assuming that the first beneficiary was not the spouse of the original participant, the second beneficiary would simply continue the RMD schedule of the first beneficiary, continuing to reduce the life-expectancy factor by 1 each year.  However, the life-expectancy factor for the first beneficiary in 2017 needs to be re-determined using the Single Life Expectancy table that was updated in 2022.

 

To provide a specific answer requires knowing the year that the original participant was born, the year that the first beneficiary was born and whether the first beneficiary was the spouse of the original participant.

Double inherited IRA


@dmertz wrote:

In this case the SECURE Act changes do not apply because the first beneficiary died prior to 2020.  Assuming that the first beneficiary was not the spouse of the original participant, the second beneficiary would simply continue the RMD schedule of the first beneficiary, continuing to reduce the life-expectancy factor by 1 each year.  However, the life-expectancy factor for the first beneficiary in 2017 needs to be re-determined using the Single Life Expectancy table that was updated in 2022.

 

To provide a specific answer requires knowing the year that the original participant was born, the year that the first beneficiary was born and whether the first beneficiary was the spouse of the original participant.


The single life expectancy table is located in publication 590-B, appendix B.

https://www.irs.gov/publications/p590b

 

Here's how the calculation would work.

 

Suppose the first beneficiary was age 54 in 2016 when the original owner passed.  Their first RMD as a beneficiary was due in 2017 when they were 55.  Their single life expectancy using the current table would be 31.6.  Then, instead of using the table every year, you just reduce by 1.  So in 2018, the RMD would be based on a factor of 30.6.  In 2019, 29.6.  And so on. So for 2024, the RMD would be based on a factor of 24.6.  Even though your life expectancy might be different, you follow the schedule that was established based on the life expectancy of the first heir.  

 

If the factor is 24.6, then the RMD for 2024 is the account balance on 12/31/2023 divided by 24.6.

 

Use the table in 590-B and the age of the first beneficiary in 2017 to determine what factor you must use.

 

 

dmertz
Level 15

Double inherited IRA

"Use the table in 590-B and the age of the first beneficiary in 2016 to determine what factor you must use."

 

You meant 2017, not 2016, as you correctly indicated in the example.

 

Things might be different if the first beneficiary was the spouse of the decedent.

Double inherited IRA


@dmertz wrote:

"Use the table in 590-B and the age of the first beneficiary in 2016 to determine what factor you must use."

 

You meant 2017, not 2016, as you correctly indicated in the example.

 

I realized I was a year off but missed one sentence, I guess.

 

It's also interesting that the taxpayer is asking now.  They should have been taking RMDs since 2019.  Perhaps they withdrew more and didn't bother with the calculation. Perhaps someone else did the calculations for them.  Perhaps they missed several years of RMDs.  I'm not sure whether that should be addressed now or keep silent and hope the IRS doesn't notice. 

Double inherited IRA

@dmertz @Thank you for help.  It was previously done for me.

 

first beneficiary- 1925-2017

second- 1954-2019

 

not spouse.  Ty appreciate the help above my head!

dmertz
Level 15

Double inherited IRA

That disagrees with what you said previously which was that the original participant died in 2016 and the first beneficiary died in 2019.

Double inherited IRA

@katelyn1049 

That doesn’t change the calculation method, just the starting date. Do you need more help?

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