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Sale of Vehicle Used in Small Part for Rental Properties

I had a personal vehicle that I had used in support of my rental properties for many years, and always kept track of the mileage and took the standard mileage cost deduction against each property. I've never depreciated the vehicle or taken any other deduction beyond mileage, and it's always been classified as a personal asset, used part time (less than 10%) for rental property management. I sold the vehicle in 2021.

 

Question #1 - TurboTax wants to handle the vehicle sale as a partial 'Sale of Business Property' which would yield a loss and income deduction (Form 4797). Sounds nice, but is that correct?

 

Question #2 - TurboTax also wants to take that ale of Business Property loss, prorated across each property based on percentage of use in 2021, and reduce my QBI income by that amount yielding a smaller QBI reduction (Schedule E Worksheet). Seems strange to me as the sale of the vehicle didn't reduce my rental property income. Is this correct?

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KrisD15
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Sale of Vehicle Used in Small Part for Rental Properties

Question #1 - TurboTax wants to handle the vehicle sale as a partial 'Sale of Business Property' which would yield a loss and income deduction (Form 4797). Sounds nice, but is that correct

 

Yes. Mileage includes depreciation, so you do need to enter that amount as "prior depreciation" when you report the sale. 

The amount of depreciation per mile fluctuates yearly, so you need to compute that by year and add for the total. 

Depreciation in Standard Rate by year

 

If this still results in a loss, the business will get a prorated amount, I think you said 10%, of that loss. 

 

Question #2 - TurboTax also wants to take that ale of Business Property loss, prorated across each property based on percentage of use in 2021, and reduce my QBI income by that amount yielding a smaller QBI reduction (Schedule E Worksheet). Seems strange to me as the sale of the vehicle didn't reduce my rental property income. Is this correct?

 

Yes. 

The depreciation increased your income for years (although slightly), so now it's payback time. 

Depreciated assets are referred to as Sec. 1231 property. 

 

"Sec. 1231 transactions. If a taxpayer has a Sec. 1231 net loss at the individual level, it is treated as ordinary loss and included in QBI. Sec. 1231 gain is treated as capital gain and is excluded from QBI (Regs. Sec. 1.199A-3(b)(2)). But, if a taxpayer has a Sec. 1231 loss in a year and then has a Sec. 1231 gain sometime in the next five years, that gain is treated as ordinary, not capital. The final regulations do not comment on the treatment of Sec. 1231 gain recognized as ordinary income. Based on the preamble of the final regulations, Sec. 1231(c) rules should be applied for deferring a taxpayer's QBI, and, therefore, any Sec. 1231 ordinary loss that reduced QBI in a prior year should be included in QBI in the recapture year."

 

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KrisD15
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Sale of Vehicle Used in Small Part for Rental Properties

Question #1 - TurboTax wants to handle the vehicle sale as a partial 'Sale of Business Property' which would yield a loss and income deduction (Form 4797). Sounds nice, but is that correct

 

Yes. Mileage includes depreciation, so you do need to enter that amount as "prior depreciation" when you report the sale. 

The amount of depreciation per mile fluctuates yearly, so you need to compute that by year and add for the total. 

Depreciation in Standard Rate by year

 

If this still results in a loss, the business will get a prorated amount, I think you said 10%, of that loss. 

 

Question #2 - TurboTax also wants to take that ale of Business Property loss, prorated across each property based on percentage of use in 2021, and reduce my QBI income by that amount yielding a smaller QBI reduction (Schedule E Worksheet). Seems strange to me as the sale of the vehicle didn't reduce my rental property income. Is this correct?

 

Yes. 

The depreciation increased your income for years (although slightly), so now it's payback time. 

Depreciated assets are referred to as Sec. 1231 property. 

 

"Sec. 1231 transactions. If a taxpayer has a Sec. 1231 net loss at the individual level, it is treated as ordinary loss and included in QBI. Sec. 1231 gain is treated as capital gain and is excluded from QBI (Regs. Sec. 1.199A-3(b)(2)). But, if a taxpayer has a Sec. 1231 loss in a year and then has a Sec. 1231 gain sometime in the next five years, that gain is treated as ordinary, not capital. The final regulations do not comment on the treatment of Sec. 1231 gain recognized as ordinary income. Based on the preamble of the final regulations, Sec. 1231(c) rules should be applied for deferring a taxpayer's QBI, and, therefore, any Sec. 1231 ordinary loss that reduced QBI in a prior year should be included in QBI in the recapture year."

 

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