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Primary home to rental conversion

I moved and turned our primary residence into a rental.  I did not list this correctly on TurboTax.  I am unable to enter the date only as this year.  I know I will need to go back & correct the previous year's returns other than using TurboTax.  What should I do now?  Give up on using TurboTax for 2023?  Is there any solution using this program?

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Carl
Level 15

Primary home to rental conversion

I need more information and a bit more clarity to please. Maybe I can help and save you a bit a corrective work possibly.
In what tax year did you start renting the property?
What program have you been using (if any) to complete your taxes each year since you started renting the property? Did you use an online version of that program? Or did you purchase the program on CD and install it on your computer each year?
What precisely did you not "list" correctly? Is this pertaining to the rental property assets section? Did you not enter and set it up correctly in the first tax year you started renting the property? Or did you make a boo-boo only on the 2023 tax return in TurboTax?
Hopefully with additional details and clarification, we can get this sorted in a timely manner.

Primary home to rental conversion

I did not set it up correctly.  I started renting it in 2022.  I used TurboTax.   I bought the download version from Costco both years.  I haven't filed yet for this year.  I left the date placed in service blank for this year.  Last year I had the original purchase date -1988- still listed.  Do I need to do an amended return for 2022? Is there a special form?  Is it placed in service when we bought it, moved out or when tenants actually moved in? 

Carl
Level 15

Primary home to rental conversion

I left the date placed in service blank for this year.

That date should have been imported from last year's return. That date should be some date in 2022.

Last year I had the original purchase date -1988- still listed.

I assume you mean that you mean you mistakenly entered the purchase date as the in service date.

Do I need to do an amended return for 2022?

Yes. You need to complete the amending process of the 2022 return before you even start the 2023 return. That way, your 2023 return will import all the correct numbers from the amended 2022 return.

Is there a special form?

Not in your case. You would only need the form 3115 if you had incorrectly depreciated the property for "more" than 2 consecutive years. Since 2022 was when you started renting it, you haven't incorrectly reported anything  it for 2 consecutive years at this point.

Is it placed in service when we bought it, moved out or when tenants actually moved in?

Placed in service is the earliest date a renter "could" have moved in. Doesn't matter if it took you 6 months to actually get a renter in there after that date. Typically, the in-service date is the date you put the "for rent" sign in the front yard, or started advertising it by any other means that you can prove, should you ever be audited on it. If the property was your primary home, then that in service date also has to be at least one day after you moved out of the property.
As you are amending the 2022 tax return, please use the below as your guide. As you have discovered, absolute perfection with rental property in that first year is not an option - it's an absolute must. Otherwise, a mistake can (and will) grow exponentially over time and be costly to fix years down the road when you catch the error. Folks typically don't catch this type of error until the tax year they sell the property. The potential for all the back taxes, fines, and penalties to bite hard into any profit from the sale can be high, if it doesn't wipe out your sales profit completely. So by all means, if you have questions, please ask.

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence or 2nd home before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out, or the date you decided to lease the property – whichever is later.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter was contracted to move in, and/or "could" have moved in. That would be your "in service" date or after if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters do not count for actual days rented. Please see IRS Publication927 page 17 at https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p527.pdf#en_US_2020_publink1000219175 Read the “Example” in the third column.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days *YOU* lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence, 2nd home, or any other personal use reasons after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that Improve, restore, or otherwise “better” the property. Basically, they retain or add value to the property.

Betterments:
Expenses that may result in a betterment to your property include expenses for fixing a pre-existing defect or condition, enlarging or expanding your property, or increasing the capacity, strength, or quality of your property. An example of a pre-existing condition or defect in this context would be something such as foundation repair (slab jacking) or some other, hidden and costly, anomaly.
Restoration:
Expenses that may be for restoration include expenses for replacing a substantial structural part of your property, repairing damage to your property after you properly adjusted the basis of your property as a result of a casualty loss, or rebuilding your property to a like-new condition.
Adaptation:
Expenses that may be for adaptation include expenses for altering your property to a use that isn’t consistent with the intended ordinary use of your property when you began renting the property. Adding a wheelchair ramp would be an example.

 

Expenses for these types of costs are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria need to be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must retain or add "real" value to the property. In other words, when the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

There are rules that allow you to just flat-out expense and deduct some property improvements instead of capitalizing and depreciating them, if the total cost of the improvement was less than $2,500. It’s referred to as “safe harbor di-minimis” But depending on the specific situation, this may or may not be beneficial. Just be aware that not every property improvement that cost less than $2,500 qualifies for this. If this interest you, the rules can get complex. So a good place to start reading is on the IRS website at https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tangible-property-final-regulations. The stuff on di-minimis starts about one page down.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and its assets in the usable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent for the very first time are not deductible.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or its assets to the same usable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent for the very first time are not deductible.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a 2-bedroom house into a 3-bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.

 

Primary home to rental conversion

Thanks a lot.  This information real helps.  My question now is how to go about correcting 2022, the 1st year property was placed in service.  I couldn't use turbotax to correct a return in the past.  Has that changed?  If not,  I'll have to use IRS 1040-SR form somehow.  How do I get this done?  Think the turnaround time before April is possible?   I'll have to input this part manually into the 2023 return it seems even though I am submitting the corrected 2022 return.

Carl
Level 15

Primary home to rental conversion

Open the desktop version of TTX 2022 on your computer. hen read the whole screen. You must elect the option to amend a return "before" you open the 2022 tax return.
Print the return before you amend it. You will need your "original" AGI from 2022 in order to e-file your 2023 tax return.

 

Primary home to rental conversion

Thanks so much.  I'm not used to someone being so helpful anywhere when you call these days.  I was ready to dump TurboTax but because of you, I probably won't.   Debi

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