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Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks again!
That's pretty much it. Isn't it wonderful when everything just "clicks"? 🙂
However, I noted something that @AmeliesUncle pointed out about how you'll end up with three entries in the assets/depreciation section. Doing it the way he says (which is actually more correct) you'll still end up with only two entries per property in the assets/depreciation section.
After thinking about it and looking at a few IRS "tax topics" (can't find the actual publication), his way is the better and more correct way. But if you'll end up selling the property before the original asset entry for each property is fully depreciated, it won't make "that much" of a difference. Still, I would do it his way. If you need details on that, just let us know. I'll do my best to explain and clarify things in plain English as best I can.
I think I follow what you said - Using AmeliesUncle's method, for each property, I will have 3 assets for 2022, and 2 assets going forward to future years. That method has two advantages:
1. Everything under my wife, including both her original 50% and the stepped up portion, will start depreciation from this year. Whatever already depreciated in prior years will be wiped off (For her part only).
2. Since the depreciation of my wife's entire new asset starts this year, the counting of the depreciated years will be reset to 0 and continue for another 27.5 years for both her original 50% and her stepped up portion.
Is this correct? Thanks to both of you!
Yes, that is correct.
The original asset is not really valid anymore because of the 'step up', so something needs to be changed.
I am also assuming you live in a community property state where you get to step up 50% of the value, and your wife's share of depreciation basically just "evaporates". Lets look at the asset/depreciation list of any one property. I'll call that property A for now.
As you start working through the property you'll come to a screen, "Do any of these situations apply to this property?" Change nothing on that screen and just continue working through.
Elect to Edit/Update the Assets/Depreciation section and work through to the "Your Property Assets" screen.
In there, you have one single asset which is the property itself. Elect to edit it and start working it through.
On the "review information" screen, change nothing. Doing so "WILL" screw up the depreciation history, big time.
Write down the amounts in the COST and the COST OF LAND box, and do the math to figure out what percentage of the COST is allocated to the land. You'll need that percentage figure later.
Also write down the amount shown in the "prior deprec." box, as you will need it too. Then continue.
On the screen "Did you stop using this asset in 2022?" click YES.
On the "Disposition Information" screen enter the date of your wife's passing, and continue.
On the "Special Handling Required?" screen, click YES. (If you click NO, then you will be *FORCED* to enter sales information. Obviously, you did not sell this property.)
On the screen "Depreciation Deduction Amount" you will see the depreciation deduction for tax year 2022 only up to the date of your wife's passing. Write that figure down. You need it. Then continue.
Now to get the numbers you need for entering a new asset.
Start by figuring the "temporary" new cost basis.
Begin by adding together the "prior deprec." and the 2022 depreciation amount. This gives you the total amount of depreciation taken up to the date of her passing. Divide that total by 2 to get the depreciation amount allocated to each of you. (Your wife's depreciation "evaporates". Your share does not.)
Now subtract your share of the depreciation from the amount you wrote down that was in the COST box. This gives you your new (temporary) cost basis. Take note at this point, the amount allocated to the land (in the COST OF LAND box) does not change yet. (but it will)
Now to that new COST, add your stepped up basis and write down that total labeling it something like "New Cost Basis" or whatever.
Remember that percentage you got earlier? Multiply the New Cost Basis by that percentage, to give you the stepped up value of the land.
In TurboTax, click the Add Another Asset button to add the property anew with an "in service" date that is one day after your wife's passing. MACRS class is Residential Rental Real estate of course, and you'll enter your newly figured amounts in the COST and COST OF LAND boxes. Depreciation starts over from year 0 and of course will be pro-rated based on this new "in service" date.
Now if you have any other assets listed for this property, the same basic procedure applies to those other assets. But more than likely you won't have to deal with COST OF LAND on those other assets. That'll make it easy.
Once done with property A, perform the same acts above for property B.
This is why I can't understand why @AmeliesUncle is saying you'll have 3 entries for each property. If the only thing listed in the Assets/Depreciation section is the property itself, I would expect only 2 entries. The original old entry where depreciation stops on the date of your wife's passing, and the new entry with a stepped up cost basis and depreciation starts anew the day after her passing.
@Anonymous_, @Carl , @AmeliesUncle
I agree. I think AmeliesUncle is right - For 2022, three assets:
1. My asset (50% of the original basis, starting from the original date and and keep 50% of prior depreciation). This will continue for future years.
2. My wife's original one (50% of the original basis, starting from the original date, keeps 50% of prior depreciation and will end on the date of passing). This one will be for the year 2022 only.
3. My wife's new one (50% of the Fair Market Value on the date of passing, starting from the date of passing with a new depreciation period for next 27.5 years). This will continue for future years as well.
@Anonymous_, @Carl , @AmeliesUncle
Hi Carl,
I just read through your step by step instructions. Thank you!
Basically, I think your method does a little more calculation and combines my part with my wife's part into a single asset. So, each property will have 2 assets for 2022 as you said, and only one asset going forward.
If I understand correctly, you are suggesting:
- Stop the original asset by the date of her passing
- Add up the following 2 parts to create a new asset starting from the date right after her passing:
My part: (Original Cost - Prior Depreciation) / 2
My wife's part: Fair Market Value / 2
*Here the "Prior Depreciation" will include prior years' and also prorated for the part of 2022 until her passing date
I think this method and AmeliesUncle's method are both good.
Also, I am just curious to know, you mentioned several times how to calculate the Cost and Cost of Land. Is that really important?
What if I just put everything into the Cost and ignore the Cost of Land completely, will that cause any issue?
I thought the building and the land will always go together, no matter when I buy or sell the property. Ignoring the land will simply save me some time, right?
Thanks!
I see what @AmeliesUncle is saying now and understand why there will be three assets this year, and then two assets in later years. Basically, your half of the asset, nothing changes. It would not be correct to "combine" as I referenced, and you referenced above. Depreciation on your 50% does not start over from year zero. It has to "continue on" untouched. Whereas, your wife's share of the depreciation already taken up to the date of passing will "evaporate".
@tagteam, @Carl , @AmeliesUncle
Actually, @AmeliesUncle's method is the best method ...
I agree. Besides saving some calculation, it will also allow me to depreciate a little more in the next several years. I am not going to keep the properties for another 27.5 years. The other method re-stretch the depreciation (both for my wife's part and my part) to a new 27.5 years period, so each year the depreciation for my part will be a little less than using the method of AmeliesUncle.
Thanks!
Any idea about putting everything as Cost, and completely ignore Cost of Land?
That will save some calculation, and the land will always go with the house anyway (At least when talking about tax).
Any idea about putting everything as Cost, and completely ignore Cost of Land?
Don't do that. You'll completely screw up the depreciation. The cost of the land is part of your cost basis, and does not get depreciated. Whereas the amount in the COST box, minus cost of land, is what gets depreciated. The program (not you) does the math. Leave out cost of land, and you change the depreciation.
Do the math yourself, and you'll screw up the cost basis which means when you sell, you'll be paying taxes on money twice. Just...... don't do that.
(Fair Market Value - Original Purchase Cost) . The original solving post mentioned 50% of fair market value only, did not say it has to minus original purchase cost.
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