I bought a home in 2012. I lived in it for a few years until I got married and then I let my daughter and her family live there until they got on their feet. They moved out at the end of March 2020 and I listed it for rent for April 2020. Because of COVID it was empty the entire year. I paid all the utilities, taxes, did repairs and maintenance on it during that time (it was still listed for rent). I know I can claim all of that stuff but I am confused when I enter the property for depreciation. In 2012 I paid $127500 for the home. The land value was $30K. During the years I lived there, I added a fence, remodeled the bathroom, etc. I have all of the receipts. Do I add all those into the initial value? What about closing costs? Also, where do I put in how long it was used for personal use (my daughter) in 2020 (Jan. Feb & March) and then April on listed for rent? I don't see that section anywhere unless I haven't gotten to it yet. There was one section it asked to put in business and personal use but it said to enter 0 if it wasn't rented.
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Just say that 1) you converted from personal to rental, 2) you began in April, 3) and yes, all your improvements settlement charges at purchase are added to the basis.
Your basis for depreciation is the lower of the Fair Market Value or Adjusted Basis on the date of the conversion.
I bought a home in 2012..... moved out at the end of March 2020 and I listed it for rent for April 2020. Because of COVID it was empty the entire year. I paid all the utilities, taxes, did repairs and maintenance on it during that time (it was still listed for rent). I know I can claim all of that stuff but I am confused when I enter the property for depreciation.
It's not that hard, though I can understand how for some the TTX program can take something that's really simple, and make it seem complex. This IRS doesn't make it any simpler either the way they write some of their rules. I refer to that as "complexified simplicity", or "going around your elbow to get to your thumb."
In 2012 I paid $127500 for the home. The land value was $30K. During the years I lived there, I added a fence, remodeled the bathroom, etc. I have all of the receipts. Do I add all those into the initial value?
Yes. So in the COST box you will enter $127,500 plus what you paid for all of those property improvements. But you will still enter $30,000 in the COST OF LAND box.
What about closing costs?
The program will take care of most of that for you normally. But apparently there are some scenarios where it doesn't. So for clarification in case you need it:
- Costs associated with your acquisition of the property get added to the cost basis of the property. AN example of this would be the title transfer fees paid at the courthouse to take the seller's name off the title and put your name on it.
- Cost associated with acquisition of the loan are amortized (not capitalized) and deducted (not depreciated) over time. An example of this would be points paid at the closing, as well as survey cost if the lender required a survey as a condition of loan approval. However, for you I seriously doubt you will have any of these costs. Since this property was originally purchased as your primary residence and not for business use of any type, all costs associated with acquisition of the loan were fully deductible in the tax year you purchased the property and closed on the loan. So be careful here that you don't trying claiming these costs a 2nd time, as that would be double-dipping.
Also, where do I put in how long it was used for personal use (my daughter) in 2020 (Jan. Feb & March) and then April on listed for rent?
Nowhere. I can tell already that you are not fully understanding how this works, and you're also probably not paying attention to the small print on each screen. Below I provide you the clarification on things that in my personal opinion, the program does not.
Also, if you select the option that "I did not rent or attempt to rent this property in 2020" then you will be "FORCED" to delete the rental property entirely. So don't select that.
it said to enter 0 if it wasn't rented.
Your days of personal use will be ***ZERO*** (explained below). Now in the past, if you put zero days rented that also would "force" you to delete the property from the tax return. But I've been told that has been fixed. However, if you enter ZERO days rented and it wants you to delete the property, then just enter 1 day rented. You'll be fine. The fact you are reporting ZERO for income is irrelevant. (You'll find a contradiction below. But the fact is, you did not have a renter in the property for even one single day in 2020. So you have no days actually rented for the entire tax year.)
Now overall, since the property was "in fact" not rented in 2020, I would recommend you not bother reporting it or converting it to a rental at all in 2020. In my experience, the little tax break you may get now, as the potential to come back and bite you later down the road. Since you are required to recapture all depreciation taken on the property in the tax year you sell or dispose of the property and pay tax on that recaptured depreciation, that could be "just enough" to bump you into the next higher tax bracket. Remember, recaptured depreciation increases your AGI. Bottom line is, it's your call.
Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.
Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence or 2nd home before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out, or the date you decided to lease the property – whichever is later.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day for any type of personal pleasure use during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence, 2nd home, or any other personal use reasons after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.
RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED
Property Improvement.
Property improvements are expenses you incur that Improve, restore, or otherwise “better” the property. Basically, they retain or add value to the property.
Betterments:
Expenses that may result in a betterment to your property include expenses for fixing a pre-existing defect or condition, enlarging or expanding your property, or increasing the capacity, strength, or quality of your property. An example of a pre-existing condition or defect in this context would be something such as foundation repair (slab jacking) or some other, hidden and costly, anomaly.
Restoration:
Expenses that may be for restoration include expenses for replacing a substantial structural part of your property, repairing damage to your property after you properly adjusted the basis of your property as a result of a casualty loss, or rebuilding your property to a like-new condition.
Adaptation:
Expenses that may be for adaptation include expenses for altering your property to a use that isn’t consistent with the intended ordinary use of your property when you began renting the property. Adding a wheelchair ramp would be an example.
Expenses for these types of costs are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.
To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria need to be met:
1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.
2) The improvement must retain or add "real" value to the property. In other words, when the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.
There are rules that allow you to just flat-out expense and deduct some property improvements instead of capitalizing and depreciating them, if the total cost of the improvement was less than $2,500. It’s referred to as “safe harbor di-minimis” But depending on the specific situation, this may or may not be beneficial. Just be aware that not every property improvement that cost less than $2,500 qualifies for this. If this interest you, the rules can get complex. So a good place to start reading is on the IRS website at https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tangible-property-final-regulations. The stuff on di-minimis starts about one page down.
Cleaning & Maintenance
Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.
Repair
Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.
Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.
However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a 2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.
That was A LOT of help and I appreciate it. It does lead me to have a few more questions. First you mentioned that when I add the property for depreciation it is the selling price of $127500 PLUS the Property Improvements. Then later when you were explaining the definitions of RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS/ MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS you stated that Property Improvements can be done any time after the initial purchase (which was in 2012) and that it doesn't matter if it was my residence or not. I just wanted to verify that the Property Improvements made BEFORE it became a rental are added to the $127500 correct? And anything done AFTER it became a rental is put in as an asset for depreciation the year that it was done (such as 2020)? Also, for anything that was done (Property Improvements) WHILE it was being PREPARED to become a rental, can that be added to the $127500 since technically it was still personal use?
Also, you had stated that it may not benefit me to even claim it as a converted rental this year since it sat empty and there was no rental income. My husband and my income combined is just under $150,000 (approx. $140K). We file married jointly but the rental is only in my name (I don't know if that makes a difference or not). My income from the rental next year will be $16,800. I had A LOT of expenses on the empty rental this year. I had to pay utilities all year. There were several large repairs that needed done and of course maintenance of the yard and landscaping, termite contract, taxes, interest, etc. (while it was available for rent). Without even putting in the value of my home yet to claim the depreciation, TurboTax has increased my refund over $2K. I imagine it will be even more after I enter the home asset for depreciation. First of all, is that correct since I had no passive income from it that it has increased my refund (I read somewhere you can't take deductions if you don't have any passive income)? Secondly, with our incomes as it is, will it hurt us down the road that much if I do sell the property (as you mentioned it may depending on our income but now I have provided that to you. Plus I imagine our income will be less when we retire)? I was told by a real estate friend (who has lots of rentals ) that I SHOULD claim it this year because of what I put out to upkeep it. Of course that is what he does for a living. I just want to do what is best and will get me the biggest refund on all the expenses I lost this year as it sat empty but I also don't want it to really hurt us down the road if it will make that much of a difference.
Question: First you mentioned that when I add the property for depreciation it is the selling price of $127500 PLUS the Property Improvements. Then later when you were explaining the definitions of RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS/ MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS you stated that Property Improvements can be done any time after the initial purchase (which was in 2012) and that it doesn't matter if it was my residence or not. I just wanted to verify that the Property Improvements made BEFORE it became a rental are added to the $127500 correct?
Question: And anything done AFTER it became a rental is put in as an asset for depreciation the year that it was done (such as 2020)?
Question: .Also, for anything that was done (Property Improvements) WHILE it was being PREPARED to become a rental, can that be added to the $127500 since technically it was still personal use?
Question: There were several large repairs that needed done and of course maintenance of the yard and landscaping, termite contract, taxes, interest, etc. (while it was available for rent). Without even putting in the value of my home yet to claim the depreciation, TurboTax has increased my refund over $2K. I imagine it will be even more after I enter the home asset for depreciation. First of all, is that correct since I had no passive income from it that it has increased my refund (I read somewhere you can't take deductions if you don't have any passive income)?
Active participation is a requirement to be allowed to reduce other income by the loss on your rental property. There is also an income limit that begins to reduce that amount.
Phaseout Rule: The maximum special allowance of $25,000 ($12,500 for married individuals filing separate returns and living apart at all times during the year) is reduced by 50% of the amount of your modified adjusted gross income that’s more than $100,000 ($50,000 if you’re married filing separately). If your modified adjusted gross income is $150,000 or more ($75,000 or more if you’re married filing separately), you generally can’t use the special allowance. This is because the special allowance is reduced to $0 since the modified adjusted gross income is over the $100,000 amount.
Question: Secondly, with our incomes as it is, will it hurt us down the road that much if I do sell the property (as you mentioned it may be depending on our income but now I have provided that to you. Plus I imagine our income will be less when we retire)?
The following is some added detail about rental activities that will come up as you enter your rental information.
To change the answer or review your selections you can use the steps below.
I put the rental property in as an asset (included all of the improvements prior to converting it to a rental into this amount) and then put in the land value. I have all expenses in for the property from when it became a rental (supplies, maintenance & repairs). My only issue now is I do not know where to put in IMPROVEMENTS from AFTER it became a rental. It is not much (around $700) and was replacement of 2 kitchen cabinets that were damaged and a new kitchen sink and faucet as the old one was very worn and the faucet broke. I know these are "depreciated" so I did not put them under the supplies, maintenance or repairs. Do I add them in as another "asset"? I tried it and then it changed the numbers on my other asset (the rental property). So where do I put those improvements?
Also, I had to keep manually changing the "asset" land value. For some reason Turbo Tax kept recalculating it to LESS than what the value is. I have no idea why but I just changed it back to the $30,000 that it was. I bought the home for $127,500 in 2012 and with all the closing costs and improvements when it was personal use it came to around $144000. Then land value $30,000 (from my taxes and also the appraisal).
All property improvements done before you converted it to a rental all have the same exact "in service" date. Therefore, you just add the cost of those improvements, to what you originally paid for the property.
I do not know where to put in IMPROVEMENTS from AFTER it became a rental.
In the assets/depreciation section, which is the same exact place the property itself is already listed. Just click the "Add Another Asset" button.
It is not much (around $700) and was replacement of 2 kitchen cabinets that were damaged and a new kitchen sink and faucet as the old one was very worn and the faucet broke. I know these are "depreciated" so I did not put them under the supplies, maintenance or repairs. Do I add them in as another "asset"?
Yes, add the total of those items as an asset, with an in service date of either the date the work was completed, or the date the asset became "available for rent" as a part of the rental property; whichever date is *last*.
Overall, because of the cost, one would think that would qualify for safe-harbor-deminimus which allows you to just expense those items since the cost was less than $2,500. However, because the kitchen cabinets and the sink are actually "a physical part of" the structure now, they have to be classified as residential rental real estate and depreciated over 27.5 years. Those are not items that one might normally remove when selling the property, unlike a $700 window A/C unit. Not very helpful in my opinion to depreciate $700 over 27.5 years, as that's less than $25 a year and will have absolutely no impact what-so-ever on your tax liability. But it is what it is.
Also, I had to keep manually changing the "asset" land value
That is a problem that the TTX program just does not handle correctly at all, when you add the cost of improvements done before the property became a rental, the way the program has you include them. When doing the initial entry for the property itself, it's best not to include those improvements "AT THAT TIME".
Then once you have your figures in for your initial purchase price only, edit the property asset again and simply add your property improvements costs to the amount in the COST box, and leave the COST OF LAND box at $30K, or whatever amount you figured for the land value.
Then, you click the ADD AN ASSET button to add those assets that were put in service *after* the property was converted to a rental.
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