in Education
Distributions from 529 plans in the amount of a scholarship are taxable but are NOT subject to the 10% non-qualified distribution penalty. If I override TT's calculation it won't let me e-file. How else can I correct this issue.
You'll need to sign in or create an account to connect with an expert.
True, distributions taken but offset by scholarships are not subject to the penalty tax.
If the 1098-T is inputted before the 1099-Q, the TurboTax program might have a hard time with the 1099-Q.
Please review the education interview and re-answer the questions to get to the last "Maximize My Tax Break" screen. The program may re-calculate at that point.
If not, you could delete the 1098-T and reenter, but going back through the (ENTIRE) education interview usually resets it.
It doesn't seem to matter what order the 1098-T and 1099-Q data are entered. The amount distributed and reported on the 1099-Q is larger than the tuition and fees paid and reported on the 1098-T. Since TT doesn't allow me to indicate that the excess distribution was offset by a scholarship, it regards it as subject to the 10% penalty.
Any other ideas for me?
TT needs to know how much was paid by scholarship, in order to match it to the distribution amount and apply the penalty exception.
Be sure the scholarship amounts were entered, under educational expenses. This is usually done in box 5 of the 1098-T screen.
Box 5 is blank. The figure in Box 1 is net of the scholarship amount.
This is not that complicated. The amount billed and paid is the figure in 1098-T box 1. The amount distributed and reported on the 1099-Q is the sum of the the amount billed and paid plus the amount of the scholarship applied for the year. The earnings on the latter amount should be taxed but no penalty should apply. How can I indicate this without overriding TT, because if I do, TT won’t let me e-file.
It shouldn't be that complicated, but it's the IRS. In your case, it's also your school. "The figure in Box 1 is net of the scholarship amount" is the wrong thing to do. Your problem is that you haven't told TT how much your scholarship was (and how much tuition it paid) so that it can off set it for the penalty exception. The simple solution is to just change the amounts in box 1 and box 5 at the entry screen. Add the scholarship amount to both numbers.
Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS. What you enter is not sent to the IRS, it is just used in the calculations.
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.
Thanks for trying, but it’s clear you don’t get it.
It’s not the IRS. It’s Turbotax. 1098-T box 1 is correct. It accurately reports what I paid. Likewise 1099-Q accurately reports what was distributed, some of which is taxable but not subject to a penalty.
For the benefit of others who might be facing the same issue, I found a workaround that was acceptable to TT, ie, it didn't prevent me from e-filing. Going to "Forms", I entered the taxable portion of the scholarship on Line 2c under "Distributions Not Subject to Additional 10% Tax" on TT's Form 1099-Q. That had the effect of removing that same amount from the calculation of the 10% penalty.
How do I remove 10% penalty from Turbo Tax for 529 distribution since my son was on full scholarship and didn't use this?
You cannot remove the penalty. If funds were withdrawn from a 529 Plan and not used for educational expenses because the student is on a full scholarship and did not use the funds for educational purposes.
Does the full scholarship include his room and board? If not, is the amount of room and board more or less than the amount withdrawn from the 529. If the amount went towards room and board then do not report the 1099-Q on his taxes. If a portion of the amount went for room and board, then the difference needs to be reported as income on his return. You do not have to enter the 1099-Q in order to do that. Just enter the excess 529 funds as other income on Line 8f of Schedule 1.
If the room and board is in excess of the 529 withdrawal, then do not report the 1099-Q on the tax return and you do not have to enter anything on Schedule 1.
The 1099-Q is a form that does not have to be reported on your taxes as long as the withdrawal is used for qualified educational expenses. If the funds were not used for qualified educational expenses you must report the 1099-Q as income and there is a 10% penalty for withdrawal of the funds for non-educational purposes.
Respectfully, JillS56 is wrong here. Distributions up to the amount of a tax free scholarship are NOT subject to the 10% penalty regardless of how that money is used. (Note though that the earnings on the original deposit(s) are taxable as ordinary income.) See IRS Publication 970 where it states:
Additional Tax on Taxable Distributions
Generally, if you receive a taxable distribution, you must also pay a 10% additional tax on the amount included in income.
Exceptions. The 10% additional tax doesn't apply to the following distributions.
...
3. Included in income because the designated beneficiary received: a. A tax-free scholarship or fellowship grant (see Tax-Free Scholarships and Fellowship Grants in chapter 1); b. Veterans' educational assistance (see Veterans' Benefits in chapter 1); c. Employer-provided educational assistance (see chapter 10); or d. Any other nontaxable (tax-free) payments (other than gifts or inheritances) received as educational assistance. This exception only applies to the extent the distribution isn't more than the scholarship, allowance, or payment.
...
Q. How do I remove 10% penalty from Turbo Tax (TT) for 529 distribution since my son was on full scholarship and didn't use this?
A. It's complicated. Even if you have an exception to the penalty (the student had full scholarship), you still have to submit form 5329 to claim the exception. That means very carefully entering all the students expenses and scholarship amounts. Since TT apparently didn't get it right, there is a workaround you can use.
This assumes you (not the student) are the recipient of the 1099-Q and the 1099-Q goes on your return.
Try this: Enter the 1099-Q first. When you enter the 1098-T, later in the educational section, enter the 1099-Q box 1 amount in both boxes 1 and 5 of the 1098-T. That should balance everything out. Don't enter any other numbers. Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS. What you enter is not sent to the IRS.
For easier entry, you should first delete the 1098-T, you previously entered.
Both the 1098-T and the 1099-Q are not forms that must be reported on your taxes because you received them. If your student received a full scholarship then you are not entitled to either the AOTC or the Lifetime Learning Credit. If your funds from the 529 plan reported on the 1099-Q are no more than the amount of the scholarship funds and they were used to cover qualified educational expenses then you do not have to report the 1099-Q.
You can solve the whole problem but just removing the 1099-Q and the 1098-T. Both forms say right on them that they are not required to be reported. All you need to do is keep the documents with your tax papers.
My suggestion is to just leave them off the taxes.
I would agree with this except I believe income tax is due on the earnings portion of the distribution.
Still have questions?
Questions are answered within a few hours on average.
Post a Question*Must create login to post
Ask questions and learn more about your taxes and finances.
Liv2luv
New Member
in Education
eknakai78
New Member
in Education
MojoMom777
Level 3
in Education
Luna_Tax
Level 3
in Education
Tuser101
New Member
in Education