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If I understand it, the part of a 529 earnings distribution withdrawn that is in lieu of a scholarship received by my dependent son has to be claimed as income if it isn't used for educational expenses, but there is no penalty on it. I can't figure a way to make turbotax do this correctly. I've entered my 1099-T and 1099-Q related to this account but the numbers don't add up. It should be this simple:
1099-Q
Box 1: $13583
Box 2: $8006
1098-T
Box 1: $27166 (total received by college, including scholarships)
Box 6: $14000 (total scholarships received)
$7000 of 1099-Q Box 1's were distributed to me in lieu of scholarship
Amount to add to income should be:
Scholarship/Total Distribution = Scholarship ratio
Earnings attributed to scholarship = Earnings * Scholarship Ratio
7000/13583 = 0.515
Earnings Adjustment = 8006 * 0.515 = $4123
However, Turbotax only adds $2943 on line 8 schedule 1
It's interesting, when entering the 1099-R , Turbotax never asks me if all or part of the distribution was used to pay for tuition for my dependent.
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$27,166 of qualified Tuition expenses
+ 2,800 Board
- 14,000 paid by tax free scholarship
= 15,966 of expenses are available for the 529 distribution
$13, 583 Parent's Box 1 1099-Q
+ 7, 235 Student's Box 1 1099-Q
$20,818 Total distribution
- 15,966
= 4852 Total Non Qualified distributions
You want at least ~$1500 (2200-775 +88 -19) to go on the student's return to take advantage of his lower tax rate. After that, it should be taxed at the parent’s rate regardless of which return it’s entered on*.
So, for simplicity, you should not enter your 1099-Q, at all, taking the attitude it’s all covered by qualified expenses. For your son’s return, he has 15, 966 – 13,583 = 2383 of qualified expenses and 7235 – 2383 = $4852 non-qualified distribution.
How to enter, in TT, on his return:
Enter the 1099-Q, exactly as received.
Enter the 1098-T with $16,383 (14,000 + 2383) in box 1 and $14,000 in box 5. The scholarship must be shown for TT to calculate the penalty exception. Enter no other numbers (board/meals was used by you).
Anticipated result: 4852/7235 =67% of the earnings are taxable. 0.67 x 4164 =2792 taxable income which will be entered on line 8 of Schedule 1.
*But, taxes are complicated and ideally you would try several scenarios to see which way comes out best. But that’s cumbersome in do-it-yourself software.
What does "in lieu of scholarship" mean? How did you come up with $7000?
Based on the numbers you stated, only a tiny portion of the 529 distribution would be taxable. If you add in room &board, books and computers, none of it will be taxable and you should even have enough left over to claim the tuition credit.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $600
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free
60%x600= $360
You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.
Probably a poor choice of words. There is a clause in the 529 code that says if your recipient receives a scholarship, you are allowed to take a non-qualified distribution for that amount from your 529 account without paying a penalty. You do have to pay taxes on the earnings that are part of the non-qualified portion of the distribution which is what I'm trying to figure.
In my case, my son received 14K in scholarship money for the year, and I chose to withdraw 7K from his 529 under this clause. Room, board, books play no part in this. He has no fees for books, and he lives at home. And for simplicity I really want to stick to the issue above without bringing the possibility of room/board etc. into it. Just assume there are no costs at all for that.
Sticking to the issue:
$27,166 of qualified expenses
- 14,000 paid by tax free scholarship
= !3,166 of expenses are available for the 529 distribution
13,583 - 13,166 = $417 is your "non qualified distribution". Since more than that was paid by scholarship, none of the distribution is subject to penalty.
$417 / 13,583 = 3.07% of the earning are taxable
3.07% x 8006 = $246 of taxable income to be reported on on line 8 of schedule 1
If TurboTax isn't giving you this result, you entered the numbers wrong. Your $7000 number is not part of the calculations.
A student who lives at home can still cover his "board" with 529 money. You may use the lower of actual food cost or the school's meal allowance for on campus students.
In addition, if otherwise eligible, you should claim the tuition credit, even if it makes more of the 529 taxable (or the student needs to declare some of his scholarship taxable).
Thanks so much for keeping it simple, and for the extra info at the end about meal plans. I may work that in once I have the first issue solved.
Regarding the first issue, it seems in an effort to "keep things simple" I left out some cogent information. I also had another "direct to school" distribution from my 529 that I didn't mention. Its 1099-Q was:
Box 1: 7235
Box 2: 4164 (earnings)
So.. plugging these into your equation:
$27,166 of qualified expenses
- 14,000 paid by tax free scholarship
= !3,166 of expenses are available for the 529 distribution.
13,583 + 7235 - 13,166 = $7652 is your "non qualified distribution". Since more than that was paid by scholarship, none of the distribution is subject to penalty.
$7652 / 13,583 = 56.3% of the earning are taxable
56.3% x (8006 + 4164) = $6842 of taxable income to be reported on on line 8 of schedule 1
I had actually run those numbers before, but since neither way matched what TurboTax is telling me I figured I'd start with my simplest guess as I wasn't sure which way might be right. Does it make sense to add the calcs from the second 1099-Q (same school, same student)? If so, did I do the calcs right? If so I'll have to monkey around with TT to see if I can make sense out of it.
Yes, you did the calcs right and yes you can and should combine the the two 1099-Qs and just make one entry in TT. (assuming the same "recipient").
Computers, as well as books and other course materials, are qualified expenses for the 1099-Q.
Don't forget the tuition credit.
Having the student report some of his scholarship as taxable is usually the smart move. If he has no other income the first $12,400 is not taxed. Scholarship income is treated as earned income for purpose of calculating a dependent's standard deduction, but unearned income for the "kiddie tax".
Thanks so much for hanging with me and for the additional information. I did get the numbers reconciled, I had a glitch in my manual calculations above after combining, which have been updated below for posterity.
The one curve in this is that while I did combine the 1099-Qs in TT, one 1099-Q had box 6 (recipient is not the designated beneficiary) checked, and the other did not. The unchecked 1099-Q covered a direct to college payment, and the checked 1099-Q covered two different distributions, one for the amount owed to the college, for which I sent a persona check in an equal amount to the college, and the other for $7000 of the scholarships which I kept. Since the numbers are coming out as expected now I'm thinking I'll just keep it as is, if there's a question I have all the backup documentation.
Box 1: 7235
Box 2: 4164 (earnings)
So.. plugging these into your equation:
$27,166 of qualified expenses
- 14,000 paid by tax free scholarship
= !3,166 of expenses are available for the 529 distribution.
13,583 + 7235 - 13,166 = $7652 is your "non qualified distribution". Since more than that was paid by scholarship, none of the distribution is subject to penalty.
$7652 / (13,583 + 7235) = 36.6% of the earning are taxable
36.6% x (8006 + 4164) = $4457 of taxable income to be reported on on line 8 of schedule 1
You have two different "recipients". The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return. The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
You cannot combine the beneficiary student's 1099-Q with yours.
You going to have to allocate expenses to both 1099-Q. Although the student is in a lower tax bracket than you, any taxable distribution is unearned income and potentially subject to the "kiddie tax".
Wow. OK, so when I separate the 2 1099-Qs it does lower my Schedule 1 additional income to $2943. So will I need to file taxes for him now as well since one of the 1099-Qs is in his name? TT did let me enter it in my taxes and specify him as the recipient. He didn't have any other income, but did have a small (<$1000) amount of capital gains.
Simple answer: Yes, he will have to file a tax return too.
But the devil's in the details: allocating the expenses to:
Yikes, my head's hurting already. Looks like I got some research to do. If I start a new return for him in TT will it help guide me through it? I honestly don't care all that much about saving a few hundred dollars here and there, and my 2020 AGI is too high for tuition credit, so I value simplicity over $ at this point.
Provide the following info for more specific help:
Just noticed this. Thanks again, here's the info...
What I don't understand is why when I add the 1099 Q to his return, it says the whole distribution amount is taxable, apparently at my tax bracket rate (kiddie tax). Completely defeats the purpose of the 529 as not only are the earnings taxed, but the principle gets taxed again.
The whole distribution amount ($7235) is NOT taxable. What's taxable is a portion of the earnings ($4164 max). It's a matter of entering the off setting expenses.
Your situation is a little more complex than others I've seen. I'm actually working on your numbers now. I'll get back to you with specific instructions a little later.
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