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-I received a 1099Q that has myself as the recipient
-My daughter received a 1098T from her college
-My daughter received scholarships and $5980 worth of my GI Bill to cover her college expenses
As I see it the 1099Q amount is taxable because it did not cover any qualified education expenses. This money is intended to provide her support through college and pay unqualified expenses. I put the 1099Q money in her bank to do so. Although I am down as the recipient how do I have this 1099Q money taxed against her at a lower rate and also avoid the 10% penalty fee since she received scholarship money?
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First, scholarships & grants are applied to qualified education expenses. The only qualified expenses for scholarships and grants are tuition, books, and lab fees. that's it. If there is any excess, then it's taxable income. It automatically gets transferred to and included in the total on line 7 of the 1040.
Next, 529/Coverdell funds reported on 1099-Q are applied to qualified education expenses. The qualified expenses for 1099-Q funds are tuition, books, lab fees, AND room & board. That's it. If there are any excess 1099-Q funds they are taxable. The amount is included in the total on line 7..
Finally, out of pocket money is applied to qualified education expenses
When you have a 1099-Q it is extremely important that you work through the education section of the program in the order it is designed and intended to be used. If you do not, then there is a high probability that you will not be asked for room & board expenses, and you could therefore be TAXED on your 1099-Q funds.
Finally, if "all" qualified expenses are covered by scholarships, grants, 1099-Q funds and there is ANY of those funds left over, the left over excess is taxable. While the parent can still claim the student as a dependent, it is the student who will report all the education stuff on the student's tax return. That's because the STUDENT pays the taxes on any excess scholarships, grants and 1099-Q funds.
Thank you. Under "Did Kassidy pay for books or materials to attend school?" I checked yes. It lists the "Tuition and Enrollment Fees" as the same number I provided off the 1098T. That number included 'Room and Board'. Do I still list the amount of room and board below under "Room and Board" or just list any additional expenses over what was not captured on the 1098T amount that transferred?
Also, how do I confirm the 10% penalty fee was not assessed. This should not be penalized since she received scholarships.
You comments seem to indicate that books and room and board are included in Box 1 of the 1098-T. That's highly unusual (but not unheard of). Please verify. If so, even more workaround will be needed.
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You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip!
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
If you do enter it, enter the 1099-Q before you enter the 1098-T and other expenses.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
Yes, room and board is included on the 1098T in box 1.
@kirlinsc said: "Yes, room and board is included on the 1098T in box 1"
You have to remove that and re-enter it in the right place (other expenses/education). The same for books.
Q. Also, how do I confirm the 10% penalty fee was not assessed. This should not be penalized since she received scholarships.
A. Review form 5329. If any of the 529 distribution is taxable, form 5329 will show either the penalty or the penalty exception (scholarship/credit).
@Carl said: "If there is any excess (scholarship), then it's taxable income. It automatically gets transferred to and included in the total on line 7 of the 1040". That's now Line 1. TT will place the notation SCH to the left.
@Carl said; "If there are any excess 1099-Q funds they are taxable. The amount is included in the total on line 7". That actually goes on line 8z of Schedule 1 and ends up on line 8 of form 1040.
Thanks so much for the quick response. This has all helped tremendously.
If the GI Bill is captured in the amount of the 1098T and I broke it out when asked do I need to put it in the 'Did Kassidy receive a scholarship or grant in 2021' section also? I checked 'Yes' and it asks again for 'Veterans Education Benefits'. It lists the 1098T amount-the GI Bill as the 'Scholarship Amount' then gives a box under it for the 'Veterans Education'. I assume this should be '0' for me since it was already captured in the 1098T. So should I just select 'No' from the beginning for this section since she has no other scholarships that were not already reported previously?
And lastly, the section 'Did Kassidy pay for room and board with a scholarship or grant'. I put 0 since we can apply it to the 529 which is tax deductible. In reality the money could come from any one of the sources to include the VA GI Bill.
BTW, after reviewing the 1098T and college billing statements the Room and Board was not included on the 1098T.
Thanks again!
Thanks for all the help!
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